290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

[Streamweaver]

I have the contol pad with up/down arrows and red button on top for beach positon of motor. Catch button is now not responding. Any ideas? Colors of catch wires at relays? or any other ideas. Thanks in advance

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Sounds like a faulty over ride relay, what year and model drive do you have. That button doesn't sound like the ones on a 290 drive.<br /> <br />Is this the type you have?<br />

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Thats the button 1996 290dp serial number 4110114667 with 2000 5.7 Gsi in 1996 24' Albemarle boat. Thanks for the help

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Below is the wiring diagram. The relays in the lower right of the diagram are usually located in the helm area. And one of them is the one for the trim overrided. Check both.<br /><br />The drawing may be to big to post, so just click on the link and have a look at it.<br /> Trim Wiring

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Thanks Don for the wiring diagram. I assume that I can unplug at trim motor and jumper either the green/white or blue/white to make the motor go up for full range bypaasing the override for a temporary fix while trouble shooting. Also do you know which color is the up going to the trim motor. Thanks for all your help.

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

I am heading down to work on the trim problem today. Don or anyone else know if jumping either gree/white or blue/white will work on bring motor up and down full range bypassing the relays. Thanks for any help.

 

[muc]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

The sky is blue=up, the grass is green=down. Put positive to the color for the direction you want to go and ground the other wire.

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Thanks Muc

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

hello<br /> quite a bit of the carolina classics and the albermarles did not use the trim meter nor the overide relays. I work with quite a few of those boats and over the years they quit installing trim indicators and such. some of the volvo "black box" trim stuff was problematic to say it kindly and the senders in an albermarle or carolina classic sometimes require transom modifications to remove them.<br /> I just replaced that switch in a 24 and it did not have the bypass stuff nor the digital gauge and was never rigged with it.so be aware that just cause its on the diagram may not mean you have it on the hull.

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Worked on it last night it has the up/ down relays, the sender on the drive , control switch with button for beach position but still can't find the relay for the beach button. I just jump the motor to get it up all the wasy for now. I think Don's idea of the override relay is looking like the problem if I can find it. Rodbolt thanks for the input

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

hello<br /> what I meant was the over ride relay may not be installed. if not press the - and up buttons at the same time.be aware that on the trim pump there are 2 relays. try jumping the blue wire on the trim pump relay to the red wire with a short jumpwer wire from the socket side of the relay wth the relay installed.its possible for a relay to fail and still click. how the pump mounted relays work is confusing to some. but when the small blue wire has 12 aplied it closes a current path from the large red wire to the large blue wire. at the same time it toggles the ground path for the green wire. does the for 12 volts on the small green wire. when 12 volts is aplied on the small green wire it creates a current path from the large red wire to the large green wire and a ground through the other relay. this is how the motor drive polarity is reversed giving up and down. the touch pad switch was rather problematic. I have seen many failures over the years, but the big one is quite a bit of the albermarles and Carolina Classics were never rigged with all the parts to the system.

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

I kind of assumed he had the gauge and the relays installed in the system because of his comment in the original post "Catch button is now not responding."<br />Sw, if you follow the wires from the trim gauge, you should run into the relays, there is only about a foot or so of wiring harness, so they shouldn't be too hard to locate.

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Thanks Don I will take a look.Can the sensor on the drive cause this problem also?

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Does the gauge work or not?

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

I do not have a trim indicator, and i have not had a chance to look again for the override relay. Rodbolt had mentioned that press the - and up at the same time to get to beach and that is how I normally do it so is there a chance I do not have that relay and if so does the - button get wired thru the up relay ?. ROdbolt if I do tha test and it works does that mean the button is bad?

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

If you push the - and up and it works, then the system is working normal. The up button is for the trim only which is the first 8° to 12° of trim movement, to go higher you must use the - and up buttons to make it work. That is how it is supposed to work. Now, Im getting confused. What is your system NOT doing. <br />Does your drive NOT go up at any time? or just up the first few degrees of trim then no further even when using both buttons?

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Thats how it is normally, not now, sorry the drive goes up to the 12 degrees of trim movement not any higher when pushing the - and up at the same time.

 

[Don S]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

Then it's not the sender. Check the relay and it's connection.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

hello<br /> now DonS and I both are confused<br /> the system is desinged to trim with one button at at the max trim to use 2 buttons to beach it. sometimes, and a lot of albermarles, all the system components were not installed.<br /> tell us again.<br /> starting from full trim down to full trim up, how is your system working?<br /> has it always worked this way? do you have a trim idicator? was or is the trim sender actually plugged in?<br /> a lot of albermarles have the sender cause wihtout it ya got a leak but it was never plugged in. <br /> please redescribe your problem with a description of what is not working now and what was working before.

 

[Streamweaver]

Re: 290 Volvo Duoprop trim/tilt problem

There is a trim sender, but did not trace it out. Don's picture is right of the buttons I have. the down button works fine and the up button is working to the max. 12 degree position, but when I am pushing the up button and the - at the same time it will not go into the beach position which that is how it normally worked before on my boat. I can jumper the up wire to the motor with the up relay unpluged to get the drive all the way up for now while I am working on this problem. the problem started after fishing for the day and came back to the dock to put it on the trailer. I can trim the motor fine up and down just no beach position. Sorry if I am making this harder to figure out for you guys.