225's-E-TEC, HPDI & VERADO

[walleyehed]

For those that haven't seen it yet, check out the 2 mile drag races from a dead start on Bombs Evinrude site.....<br />E-TEC not only beat, but BLEW the competition clean out of the water.<br />Verado and HPDI were within 1 second of each other, but the E-Tec was over 4 seconds ahead of both.......quite a sight!

 

[seahorse5]

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Bombardier also has an infomercial that is playing in the south Florida area, and soon to other markets.<br /><br />It shows the whole drag race and also specific comparisons to the Verado and the Yamaha 4-strokes in emissions, sound, fuel economy, and performance. It's been well received and opens the eyes of a lot of folks who are not familiar with the technology of the new 2-stroke outboard.<br /><br />The dealers should be receiving DVD copies of the show in a few weeks.

 

[Major Woods]

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I saw the vid, but lets be fair it is a infomercial by Bomb. I'm not against Bomb, in fact I own a 2003 250hp motor and love it.<br /><br />I am just a little schechtical of any testing not performed by an independant company. It just brings up to many issues about proper setup of props, motor heights etc...<br /><br />I would like to see each motor setup by their own staff and then run, I would feel better about the data.

 

[JB]

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They must have been using Amsoil in the E-Tec.

 

[walleyehed]

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JB,.......I can't even say it!<br />I can tell you there's a good chance it was XD-100!

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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I think it was Phatmanmikes baby oil....And I'm still not in favor of using babies for oil.

 

[johnrude]

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They use xd100 not that amizol crap.

 

[BillP]

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You guys are cracking me up!

 

[winoandino]

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If this info were not true and able to be verified don't you think Yamaha and Merc would sue the pants off Evinrude.<br /><br />I haven't seen any litigation yet and I bet for BRP to sink this much money into this national campaign all these tests can and will be verified by independant parties.<br /><br />Bottom line is the outboard industry is about to see the largest single leap in technology ever!!!<br /><br />E-Tec rulz!

 

[Trophy23]

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You guys are crackin me up too. I know how bad you want the two stroke to win, but come on. I don't see any sign of power from the Verado for almost two seconds on take off. either they forgot the link for the digital throttle and shift or some one is pullin your leg. I have a 200 verado on a 3500 pound boat and it'll throw more than that. To be fair too, the Verado is same weight all the way to 275 hp. I can prop any three motors so that I know which will win even if it's 100 hp lower. None of the boats are plaining properly either, not even the Etec. I think they got these "drag racers" from their engineering department. How come the two fourstroke drivers are looking over at the Etec boat, can't they hear the count down or do you maybe think they have to hold back until the Etec takes off??? We all know a two stroke can take a four at bottom, but I have my doubts it will stay on top unless it can rev as high as a four if things really are 'equal'. I think an independent test is the only way to tell what boat or motor is performing best and then only if their truely is no link for sponsorship which is hard to find now days if you dig deep in the corporate structures.

 

[winoandino]

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Trophy, <br />I'm sorry you want to verify the $$$ you spent on the Verado but you will soon have to face the facts. The E-Tec beats the Verado in EVERY head to head category: Performance, fuel economy, emmissions, weight, maintance costs, etc.<br /><br />Don't take BRP's word for it. Look at the engine tests Bass and Walleye Magazine did a few months back. One month was the Verado test and the next E-Tec. They were made on the same boat and E-Tec blew it away. There is your indenpendant tests.

 

[walleyehed]

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By Trophy23;<br />

None of the boats are plaining properly either, not even the Etec.

All due respect here buddy, If you can say that, you don't have any clue as to what a properly trimmed boat looks like.....don't need the "I've got a bassboat" thing, that don't fly with me...I've tested more props in the last month than you've owned in your life...I know what a good ride looks like. If you think they should be throwing rooster-tails, that's a sign of inefficient trim setting or set-up, possibly even wrong prop.<br />And as for that turbo, it's got to have some good R's to come to life to begin with, before it can "Leap". It couldn't do it in 2 miles, and never will....it's too heavy and it's a typical 4-stroke as far as performance goes.

 

[Kiekhaeferscurse]

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Is there a link to the vid, would luv to see it.<br />Thankyou.

 

[Paul Moir]

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Link, click here. <br /><br />

 

[Trophy23]

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Hey Wino, I'm sorry if you think the Verado is so much more expensive than the E-tec. Sorry it's maybe 500 bucks more, not exactly a big deal. Has nothing to do with being able to see this infomercial is a laugher. Hey, how about mentioning the fact you can go do a search and golly be, no Verado problems posted on web other than comments from people like you about how much they cost or weigh. Want to see problems on Etec, just put a yahoo search in for 'Evinrude Etec problem'. If you are too lazy to do that, here is just one link out of about 20 http://www.reel-time.com/forum/showthread.php?p=92672 . And Walleyhead I already know you are a Merc basher from all the other threads you've commented on. so your opinion means nothing to me. I don't think the lot of ya know what a clean running boat looks like, but just my opinion.

 

[phatmanmike]

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hey trophy, im not a basher of ANY kind, as i own mercs and omcs at the same time....BUT...<br /><br />if you read thouroghly the "problems" that this fella has with his e-tec, youll find that it was cause he decided to install it himself and did it wrong, not giving enough space to the throttle linkages and such.<br /><br />youll also notice that after he had this fixed, he says it runs cleaner, quiter, smoother and gets better gas mileage than he thought an outboard ever could<br /><br />just thought id share. im sorry buddy, but it seems, at least from alll the owners ive seen in person and the owners ive seen online, that this new motor is the best thing to hit boating since the invetion of the outboard motor!<br /><br />sorry !

 

[Trophy23]

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I never said I didn't think the Etec was a great motor, myoutboards. I was just reacting to the comments about spending too much on the Verado. I don't think it was a fair statement that I spent too much when I checked into other outboards and they are just as expensive. I don't think a test by evenrude for comparison to the Yamaha HPDI or Merc Verado is exactly unbiased and it looks like a lot of BS from the video I down loaded if you run it in pause and watch the boat drivers. I'm sure if Merc ran a test their motor would win too cause ya can handicap any motor so it won't perform best. I want to wait until a real comparison gets done by an unbiased review. Not many around though cause half the magazines have advertising from specific manufacuers. I really don't think how fast a boat and motor goes is a good test of how good a motor will last, perform in the long run and how many repairs will be involved down the road. Only time will tell which way the boating industry goes. I have a feeling it will take many years for technology to tell which wins out, they are both great improvements. I'm also sure each owner loves his motor and thinks it is the best. I was havin some fun, kind of felt a little testy I guess. May we all have fun on the water and may both technologys have a great future. Sorry if I steped on any toes. I know I sure ain't too woried about what anyone thinks about what I say on the forum, cause we are all a little biased.

 

[rodbolt]

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beauty about it is they all break. daddy needs a new pair of shoes

 

[walleyehed]

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By Trophy23;<br />

Walleyhead I already know you are a Merc basher from all the other threads you've commented on. so your opinion means nothing to me.

Better do a bit more research on my posts....I own 2 Mercs and have zero problems with either one.<br />As Rodbolt said, "they all break sooner or later", just happens to be the J/E products have less problems over-all.

 

[montanaman]

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I'll start off by saying that I hope the E-tec is everything it's advertised to be. Competition is a good thing.<br />I also have a couple of questions.<br />1. What is the difference between the E-tec 225 and the 225HO? Evinrudes web site doesn't give a hp rating for the HO, so is it a 225 or closer to a 250? To me HO means more horsepower. Would this test be the same if it was a regular E-tec 225 against a Verado 225 HO and Merc wouldn't give a hp rating?<br />2. Is that the only video Paul? I looked all over BRP's site and Evinrude's and couldn't find the video. If that is it then I'm not sure I'm convinced of anything other than I saw 3 seperate boats in the water and a helicopter in the sky.<br />3. I thought the Verado was supercharged not turbocharged. I was not aware that a supercharged system required higher rpm to operate properly.<br /><br />I'm a 2 stroke fan myself and believe that 4 strokes have tried to catch the 2 strokes in performance while the 2 strokes have tried to catch up in the emmisions department. I think with the E-tec we may be seeing the best of both. I hope they stand the test of time and push the 2 stroke technology forward.