2002 Volvo penta Gxi 5.0 beeping issue

alldodge

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Understand, but there is no power reduction. Could be VP allows for code 44 with no issues, but the code can still be the issue. I'm just don't know. The guy that would would be @muc
 

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So are you saying that if I disable the code it might throw a different code?
 

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So are you saying that if I disable the code it might throw a different code?
No, I'm saying code 44 might not be causing the beep, but then again it could be causing the beep.

It could very well be the knock circuit and my only reason behind it is the manual list it looks for it. It is not listed the same way Merc does. In the GXI manual it states something along the line of looking for activity. This could mean that it is always looking. The crystal in the sensor constantly is producing a signal. The signal is not very much because of the predesigned frequency

If code 44 is disabled the beep may stop but then again it may not. If the beep is being caused by the exhaust sensor, then it would still beep.

So, it may be the ECM, a wire connection or something else
 

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constant horn = s.l.o.w. mode, has rpm reduction above 2500
intermittant horn just means active code, no rpm reduction

Code 44 is knock sensor not seeing enough activity. If this engine sees too much knock it will NOT set a code, just reduce spark and fuel.
It's not a very smart system.
You should get a copy of Volvo Service manual #7742218 there is a easy step by step flow chart to follow.
 

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Muc Thank you very much for your reply and thank you to alldodge for your help with this as well. I am currently trying to get a hold of the manual.
 

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Hi Guys
I am back with an update.
Tried to do some more troubleshooting using the manual. Could not test the signal from J17 as I have no way of generating it,

I have replaced the knock sensor, knock sensor connector and the wire in-between that and the ECM. The code 44 still gets triggered when I stay above 2500 rpm for about 10 seconds.

Theses are the parts I have purchased just in case you guys think they may not be compatible:

connector
sensor

Not sure what else to do. I wish I could just disable the beep.

looking forward to your replies
 

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I'm unable to verify Ac 213-96 is for your motor. It comes up 1996 and older, so pre vortec

This one comes up as vortec and also Merc and VP. Not saying yours is not correct, or that this will fix the issue, just not able to verify the part
https://www.amazon.com/Sensor-Switch-Mercruiser-806612T-Mercury/dp/B01MXW22I6

I don't know if something like MEFI Burn software can turn it off in a VP ECM. I was able to do it with my Merc ECM because it wasn't password protected
 

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im not sure what you mean by “can’t generate a signal”? Where in the manual did it ask to check the signal? what was the ohms?
why are you buying a new connector? did it test bad?
I have no idea if Amazon parts will work. I’ve had too many bad experiences with them to even think about them if Volvo parts are available. Don’t throw away the old parts, if you end up taking this to a trained tech they will probably want to replace the Amazon parts with OEM.

Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but as a dealer tech I would get boats with fairly simple problems like this and would have to first find and correct owner induced problems before I could get to the real issue. Yes I got to charge for this time, but it was a rare day in season that I didn’t have more work then I had time to do. So it gets frustrating.

So put one Ohm meter lead to pin J1-17 (making sure you are using connector J1 not J2) (use the wiring diagram in the shop manual to be sure) and the other lead to a “known good engine ground” there are two on your engine, they are the ground studs on the flywheel cover. While you’re there check the negative battery cable and all the other ground wires to be sure they’re secure. Make sure the Ohm meter has been set to ohms x1 and is zeroed and let us know what the reading is.
 

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Here is a little summary of how the knock system works. This is some of the knowledge that trained techs learn.
There are 2 different systems for modifying spark advance based off of knock sensor input for Volvo Penta MEFI 4 engines. The first is the knock system. It is active above idle after a minimum temperature and run time have been met. It can retard timing up to approximately 10 degrees based on input from the knock sensor. The other system is the octane rating system which only operates in the upper 1/3 of the power band. The octane rating system fine tunes the spark advance under high RPM high load conditions. The octane rating system works as follows. The MEFI 4 system has 2 spark tables, one for high octane (approx 93) and one for low octane (approx 87). Once the engine is above a certain temp, a run timer has timed out and the engine is in the upper 1/3 of RPM and load rating for the engine, the octane rating system will fine tune the spark advance to obtain the optimum spark timing for that particular operating condition. The 2 tables are based on RPM and MAP.
As an example, one engine’s high octane table may show 29 degrees of spark advance at 4600 rpm with 3” of vacuum in the intake. The low octane table for the engine’s same operating condition may show 26 degrees of spark advance. Once the octane rating system is active, as the knock sensors show that the cylinders are knocking, the ECM will step timing down from 29 towards 26 degrees to make the knock go away. After the knock is gone, the system will start advancing the timing back towards 29 degrees until the knock sensor just starts to indicate knock. The system will always try to maximize spark advance to where knock just starts to be indicated.
All of this shows up on the scan tool and Diacom under octane rating. 100% means that the value from the high octane table is being used and 0% means that the value from the low octane table is being used. Obviously, ratings between 0 and 100% are using values between the high and low table values.

None of this will set a code. As mentioned earlier, a code 44 is only set when little or no activity is seen on the knock circuit.

This is one of the reasons why an EFI engine can out preform a carb engine. And also why you should fix this system rather then try to disable it.

edit for added info.
And remember that this is a MEFI 4, it’s not a very smart computer. A catalyst engine does this and tailors the fuel mixture to EACH cylinder!
 
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Hey guys. Quick update. Turned out it was the wrong sensor after all. Got a new one from a marine shop and all is well with the world.

Thanks again for all the help.
 
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