2000 Johnson 15hp wont pump water

Richid

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Just checked behind exhaust cover again no blockage. Everything I take apart has brand new gaskets so the shop did go over the whole motor I don’t get it
 

Mcguiver

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Went through the same thing this past weekend on a friends 50 Suzuki, trying to install a water pump kit near the dock because we didn't want to rig down his sailboat. Six of six tips were missing or worn down from the water pump impellor when we removed the old one. I got impatient and put the new water pump kit in without trying to find the missing tips. As expected, it didn't get water out of the tattle tale. Took it apart, tested the pump with the lower unit off the boat and got good water flow. All the while exhaust was coming out the tattle tale which is expected. If there isn't water getting to the tattle tale, there's nothing to prevent exhaust from flowing backwards in the cooling water system, even out of the tattle tale. Tried shoving a coat hanger wire up the water tube and felt resistance before hitting metal. Parts diagram showed there shouldn't be anything. Finally got access to a water hose, blew backwards through the tattle tale and heard good water flow through the head & exhaust but only a trickle coming out the water tube. Used the coat hanger to probe the blockage while back flowing water through the tattle tale and 5 impellor tips finally came out. Curved the end of the coat hanger to try to fish out the sixth piece and never found it. Put it back together and immediately had good flow through the tattle tale, for a while. Several minutes later weak or no flow through the tattle tale but the engine wasn't overheating. Pulled the hose off the thermostat housing and had good flow. The root cause was scaling on the block cooling jacket came loose when we didn't have water circulating so the metal expanded at a higher rate than the scale and it was flaking off. Removed the tattle tale several times and probed the socket for it and it finally quit plugging after we worked out all the lose scale.

As for a potential head gasket leak, if it's 4 stroke and leaking bad enough to prevent water from getting to the jacket, you should be having rough idle or idle at all as it would want to pull water into the cylinder on the intake stroke. One way to verify is to pull the thermostat out the leave the housing off while running the engine and see if water flows out. The pump is designed to overcome exhaust pressure so whether it's coming from the exhaust port or combination of exhaust port & blown gasket it can only flow the amount of gasket generated by combustion and the cylinder displacement less some thermal expansion absorbed by the cooling water.
 

Richid

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Went through the same thing this past weekend on a friends 50 Suzuki, trying to install a water pump kit near the dock because we didn't want to rig down his sailboat. Six of six tips were missing or worn down from the water pump impellor when we removed the old one. I got impatient and put the new water pump kit in without trying to find the missing tips. As expected, it didn't get water out of the tattle tale. Took it apart, tested the pump with the lower unit off the boat and got good water flow. All the while exhaust was coming out the tattle tale which is expected. If there isn't water getting to the tattle tale, there's nothing to prevent exhaust from flowing backwards in the cooling water system, even out of the tattle tale. Tried shoving a coat hanger wire up the water tube and felt resistance before hitting metal. Parts diagram showed there shouldn't be anything. Finally got access to a water hose, blew backwards through the tattle tale and heard good water flow through the head & exhaust but only a trickle coming out the water tube. Used the coat hanger to probe the blockage while back flowing water through the tattle tale and 5 impellor tips finally came out. Curved the end of the coat hanger to try to fish out the sixth piece and never found it. Put it back together and immediately had good flow through the tattle tale, for a while. Several minutes later weak or no flow through the tattle tale but the engine wasn't overheating. Pulled the hose off the thermostat housing and had good flow. The root cause was scaling on the block cooling jacket came loose when we didn't have water circulating so the metal expanded at a higher rate than the scale and it was flaking off. Removed the tattle tale several times and probed the socket for it and it finally quit plugging after we worked out all the lose scale.

As for a potential head gasket leak, if it's 4 stroke and leaking bad enough to prevent water from getting to the jacket, you should be having rough idle or idle at all as it would want to pull water into the cylinder on the intake stroke. One way to verify is to pull the thermostat out the leave the housing off while running the engine and see if water flows out. The pump is designed to overcome exhaust pressure so whether it's coming from the exhaust port or combination of exhaust port & blown gasket it can only flow the amount of gasket generated by combustion and the cylinder displacement less some thermal expansion absorbed by the cooling water.
I started the motor in the barrel with the thermostat and thermostat cover plate off and water came out there. Do you know if this is before or after the telltale? I don’t know where the water starts it’s cycle after the pickup tube
 

tphoyt

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Tell tail should flow even if the t stat is closed. I know it’s a separate passage but I honestly could tell you exactly where that passage is. Have you tried the mono line or weed wacker line thru the tell tale trick yet?
I can’t remember if you said yes or not.
 

racerone

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There appears to be a flushing plug on the exhaust cover.------The tell tale comes off the exhaust cover.----Thermostat has nothing to do with the tell tale.
 

Richid

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There appears to be a flushing plug on the exhaust cover.------The tell tale comes off the exhaust cover.----Thermostat has nothing to do with the tell tale.
I’m saying water is getting to that point so where does it go from the thermostat. Water seems to be stopping somewhere between Tstat and telltale wish is not plugged
 

saltchuckmatt

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I’m saying water is getting to that point so where does it go from the thermostat. Water seems to be stopping somewhere between Tstat and telltale wish is not plugged
Well if you had it at professional mechanics like you said and they couldn't figure it out then pretty sure no one on here can. Sorry I couldn't help.
 

racerone

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It will be something simple when you find the issue !-----I too am stepping aside.
 

Mcguiver

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If no one has taken apart the exhaust cover, that's another likely area that would restrict water flow. Water from the thermostat and some bypass has to go through the exhaust cover to cool exhaust gas. If you're getting water out the block where the thermostat installs, this may be where your problem is. Here's a photo I found of a 2005 Johnson 15 for reference. Not the white corrosion byproducts or scale. FYI - be prepared to replace the gaskets as they will likely tear. I had a 70's Mercury that used a perforated plate to spray water, which had corroded so the cylinder jacket wasn't staying completely flooded with water & pouring a stream of water instead of a shower effect to contact the exhaust gas better. Yours may something similar but I wouldn't know since I didn't see the exact model number to look up the parts.


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