2000 30hp Johnson possible water restriction/over heats

Rmillis

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I want to say I'm at the end of my rope with this thing.
Belongs to my Uncle, 00 35hp 3cyl. Johnson, remote controls.
Originally bought engine from somewhere(Mich..??) On ebay. Was supposed to be freshwater engine. Mounted engine to boat, never used it. Ran 1000004523.jpgit with mufs etc..
All seemed fine pumped water out pee hole he said. This is where I come into the mix of things.
After a year of sitting due to health issues, he's back at ready to use it. He asks me to take a look at everything and make sure it's all good. We take it out for the first time and after 5 mins at the dock idling we head out, within 5 mins we try to accelerate and it revs slightly and bogs. We try a few more times and same thing. So turn around and head back to the dock. Total of 15-20min in the water. During this time I notice only the pee hole is spraying. There is no water coming out the other port next to it with exhaust.
Get it home, pull the hat and find the temp sensor(overheat sensor, what ever you call it) completely melted. So we install a impeller and housing, seals. Start it up and same thing only where from pee hole. We replaced temp sensor as well. We then pulled the thermostat out, which was slightly corroded but not extreme. We ran the engine with muffs and no thermostat cap or tstat, no water came out the thermostat cap hole. Seems like there is a restriction somewhere. Being that it sat unused for so long I suggested pulling the power head to confirm no dirt dobbers( wasps) made a nest or something dumb we cannot see in one of the passages. Everything looks clear.
I have searched online trying to find out on this engine if water comes out the exhaust port next to the pee port on back of the engine or not. If so I'm not getting any.
This year does not have a tube that runs up through the midsection from the top of the impeller housing into the lower portion of the power head for water flow. The impeller housing seal onto of the housing seems to crush fit the seal onto the midsection and supplies water to the power head by use of the midsection body. I haven't seen this before so I was a little confused. The old impeller that came out the housing seemed to be crushed, bent at the top.
When installing the lower unit the impeller housing stops the lower unit from going up all the way to meet the midsection. There's a good 1/2-9/16 gap before bolting it up tight. Seems to me that during this process the impeller housing is being crushed.
I visited a well known marine mechanic and told him what was going on. He said I have the right impeller and that's how that unit is, in terms of mounting the lower unit and fitment with the gap, until it's bolted up.

So long story..
Why am I not getting water out of the thermostat housing with cap off( I feel like this is why it melted the temp sensor and would not accelerate due to it over heating, kinda like limp mode)
And is it really normal for fitment as described between lower unit and midsection..
Engine otherwise runs ok, just runs hot from not getting water. Confused why it comes out pee hole but not the exhaust and nothing up inside the block. Also pulled the head, water jackets around cylinders are clear.

Any help greatly appreciated!!!!
 

racerone

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The lower unit should slide into place.-----Never use the bolts to pull it together.-----If the oil mixing unit is still in use , take it off and throw it away.
 

tphoyt

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Tell tail water doesn’t go through the block.
You could try back flushing from the thermostat housing or better yet pull the exhaust cover and look for a blockage.
 

Crosbyman

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strange beast isn't ... no water tube .. no exhaust cover

must have been a new engineer in the design shop hired to save a few $$
 

racerone

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The water passage to the block is cast in place in the exhaust housing..----Just a more " modern " looper design.----A very strong motor with a slightly different version of a 70 HP crankshaft.----Same main bearings as the 70 HP.
 

saltchuckmatt

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Maybe you have the wrong water pump.

Is it this one? Your model number indicates rope start.
 

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Rmillis

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The lower unit should slide into place.-----Never use the bolts to pull it together.-----If the oil mixing unit is still in use , take it off and throw it away.
Oil mixing was removed, that's what I was thinking about the lower unit. However I haven't had any experience with that style water distribution ( no tube) so there has to be ( or seems) some sort of " pull up by the bolts" to ensure the impeller housing seals up to the midsection.
 

Rmillis

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Tell tail water doesn’t go through the block.
You could try back flushing from the thermostat housing or better yet pull the exhaust cover and look for a blockage.
Not much of a cover, did unblock a very small hole in the top of the midsection where the PH mounts. Didn't help. I have the PH off and ran a wire up through the block, from what I can see it's clear. Can blow air through it as well, just didn't try water.... was trying to be careful and get water into the block casing
 

Rmillis

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Can you take a picture of the bottom of the midsection ?

You must be missing something.
I will take a pic. That's what I was thinking.
It will be a few days before I can get by there.
I viewed tons of diagrams and it's not the easiest to see in a diagram. Tried looking for pics etc..
All I had to go on is verifying part fitment and consulting a marine mechanic(a reputable one), though everyone slips up here and there..
Is
 

Rmillis

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Maybe you have the wrong water pump.

Is it this one? Your model number indicates rope start.
I will have to check part numbers, I ordered several trying to eliminate that as a possibility.
The current one is same as what came out. BUT, it could have been wrong. Again, engine e was bought used, ebay. There's just no telling..

It will be a few days before I can get by to get so.e pics and info..
 

saltchuckmatt

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Well here's my motor. 1996 2 stroke 25 3 cylinder. Had for a year but haven't played with it yet. I was going to swap out my 85 30hp but now I'm not sure

Vro was removed before I got it and someone must have put these pumps on it....not sure why it has two.

Does this look similar to yours?

This is the water pump mine calls for.

 

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