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sam60

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I would take out loans and enjoy new purchases if I were younger....oops, I did that when I was younger! All that I want to do now is pay down debt and fund a possible retirement.
 

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She does 16%(10%+6% from her employer), and I have not been. I have been paying off debt i had. I take most of my extra money and re-invest it in my business or addtional principle on my florida condo.
 

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She does 16%(10%+6% from her employer), and I have not been. I have been paying off debt i had. I take most of my extra money and re-invest it in my business or addtional principle on my florida condo.
Do your math carefully, and decide where your priority lies ... sounds like you can handle the payments and aren't stupid with money. On the other hand, get something cheaper now and put away $250 a month for the next several years and you can probably buy what you want outright with your payments all going to principle and not interest.
 

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Hey, someone has to buy new boats, right ??? :D

It does not sound like a financial stretch, so you could probably go for it. Keep in mind that you may not be able to sell the boat for more (or much more) than the loan balance, if you decide to trade up in a few years, etc., as the depreciation will be at a faster pace than the loan amortization.
 

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Hey, someone has to buy new boats, right ??? :D

It does not sound like a financial stretch, so you could probably go for it. Keep in mind that you may not be able to sell the boat for more (or much more) than the loan balance, if you decide to trade up in a few years, etc., as the depreciation will be at a faster pace than the loan amortization.

Thats what I am worried about. I have a free and clear boat now. If I finance one and have to get out of a payment, then I am boatless and out some cash too.
 

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Buy a used boat that is a few years old for half the price. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.

Fund your retirement first.

Getting a 12 year loan on a new boat is just financially dumb for you to do. My brother is a used car dealer. He also buys boats that banks are selling. He gets a lot of boats that are 5 years old that the people give up because they are under water.
 

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Buy a used boat that is a few years old for half the price. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.
If you can find me a Grady 228 that is a few years old for 1/2 the price of new, I'll take 2 :lol:
 

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Yeah from what I am seeing, 5 yr old boat of the model I want is 22-25k. So I save $10,000 but I would now have no warranty, hours on it, a used boat, and the same payment (although a shorter term). I feel that in my situation my 2 choices are a $10,000 boat like a 1996-1999 Crownline 225br or similar and pay cash, or just buy a new boat. Buying a used boat and financing it does not seem worth it. I also figured on a new boat I would not have repairs but a payment, a used boat I would have repairs with no payments. I would rather not have repairs AND payments. I do know all boats need maintenance.
 

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I was in a similar situation in that I wanted a newer, bigger boat, but only wanted to spend so much $. Since I had a boat that worked well and did not cost me anything to own other than the insurance and gas, I didn't need to be in a hurry to buy. It took 3 years of looking, but I found exactly what I wanted at my price. The amount I paid was 60% of the value of the boat. Patience paid off because I got a lot more boat than I was expecting for my price. You are in a good position and can be putting money aside for your dream purchase while looking. And the looking can be fun!
 

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I was in a similar situation in that I wanted a newer, bigger boat, but only wanted to spend so much $. Since I had a boat that worked well and did not cost me anything to own other than the insurance and gas, I didn't need to be in a hurry to buy. It took 3 years of looking, but I found exactly what I wanted at my price. The amount I paid was 60% of the value of the boat. Patience paid off because I got a lot more boat than I was expecting for my price. You are in a good position and can be putting money aside for your dream purchase while looking. And the looking can be fun!

Thats what we are leaning toward as of right now.
 

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If you can find me a Grady 228 that is a few years old for 1/2 the price of new, I'll take 2 :lol:

Bought my boat for less than half price. 1st owner paid $44k and I paid $20k 2.5 years later.

If I was making $45k, there would be no way I would be buying a $35k boat. That's just crazy.
 

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"Fund your retirement first". I tried that, more than once. The last two times the stock market BS caused by Enron, the banks and whoever else anyone wants to blame, left me with not the 8 to 14% return on my money I was 'promised', but rather, it left me with 8 to 14% OF the money I invested, in so-called "safe" mutual funds.

So much for the Houseboat we wanted to buy when we retired. Or anything else for that matter.

Now add this to the mix: I worked with my parents all my adult life. Back in 1972 they started building a cabin, 24x24' A-frame with a loft, just kept "enhancing" it thru the years, they went there virtually every weekend. In the winters they snowmobiled in. It appraised for $90k back in the 80's. But a funny thing happened when they reached the point in their lives they could actually move in to the place: They didn't feel like it. Instead, they stayed home and griped about the association fees, water bills and property taxes. In the end they sold the place for half what it was worth. They were barely into their 70's, and their final goal was to sit at home and watch TV.

-- And my wife's folks have followed the exact same path.

Which is why we took a hard look at our priorities and the future. And we came up with: What the hell good is reaching retirement age only to be too tired to leave the house? Do we want to "play it safe" and just wait around until we think we have enough money to actually spend it? Gee, that sounds fun... :grumpy:

So we made the decision to screw convention, and decided to buy all the stuff we'd planned on buying when we retired, NOW, and enjoy it all NOW.

And that's exactly what we did. This all started almost 7 years ago, and we've enjoyed the hell out of life because we weren't afraid to go into debt to do it. We've done, and are doing, many things we may have never had the chance to do if our priority was 'save for retirement'. Life is good, and we have not on regret. Aside from our house, we should be debt free in 5 to 7years, which will put us in our mid 60's. Retirement money? With SS, the wife's pension from a prior employer and just working a few hours a week or month just to keep me busy, we'll be pulling in well over $30k a year, plenty enough to make our house payment (which may be done by then too) and to fuel our 40' motorhome and the Chaparral when we galavanting around the country. And we can live on the houseboat in the summer when not galavanting. Or we can move it to warmer climes, and live on it whenever. We also have a mobile home we can move to wherever we want, IF we want. And there's always home.

And when we figure the fun's about over, we'll sell everything, which will still leave us with plenty of money to live on. And what doesn't sell we'll put in our kid's names, so that when they have to stick us in a rest home, medicaid can pay for it instead of THEM.

I guess our priorities and "retirement plan" may seem a bit too far outside the box for some, but it's working for us...

:)
 

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And if you take that advice, you are really crazy.

My IRAs and 401ks are at their highest level ever. I also realize that if someone promises me any guaranteed returns, I run.
 

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"Fund your retirement first". I tried that, more than once. The last two times the stock market BS caused by Enron, the banks and whoever else anyone wants to blame, left me with not the 8 to 14% return on my money I was 'promised', but rather, it left me with 8 to 14% OF the money I invested, in so-called "safe" mutual funds...

...and if in those down years you kept investing in those mutual funds, putting the money in when the price was down, where would you be now that the market is near its highest levels again? I know I am looking much better than I was BEFORE the crashes. Investing should be about long term, not the short term, what is it today ... unless you are very near retirement age or goals. Then it is about safety and security.

And this advice is worth what you paid for it. I am not a certified financial planner and nothing I say should be taken as such ...
 

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Some people -- I guess MOST people-- make money by investing. For some reason, not me. Every single investment I've ever made (aside from real estate) be it risky, safe, the options, whatever-- left me with mere fractions of my investment. Our last mutual fund was in force nearly 12 years, then splat. If it'd continued as it had, right now it'd be worth around $400k. I got $4800 after 12 years. Kinda sour's ya on trying to make money without actually working for it...

Right now about half our net worth is in depreciating assets (that we're enjoying the $#!t out of), the other half is taking care of most of the depreciation.

And, I guess I'd rather spend my money than save it and die before I got to enjoy it...
 

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Some people -- I guess MOST people-- make money by investing. For some reason, not me. Every single investment I've ever made (aside from real estate) be it risky, safe, the options, whatever-- left me with mere fractions of my investment.
Hmmm...so you are suggesting other people do what you do?
 

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"Fund your retirement first". I tried that, more than once. The last two times the stock market BS caused by Enron, the banks and whoever else anyone wants to blame, left me with not the 8 to 14% return on my money I was 'promised', but rather, it left me with 8 to 14% OF the money I invested, in so-called "safe" mutual funds.

So much for the Houseboat we wanted to buy when we retired. Or anything else for that matter.

Now add this to the mix: I worked with my parents all my adult life. Back in 1972 they started building a cabin, 24x24' A-frame with a loft, just kept "enhancing" it thru the years, they went there virtually every weekend. In the winters they snowmobiled in. It appraised for $90k back in the 80's. But a funny thing happened when they reached the point in their lives they could actually move in to the place: They didn't feel like it. Instead, they stayed home and griped about the association fees, water bills and property taxes. In the end they sold the place for half what it was worth. They were barely into their 70's, and their final goal was to sit at home and watch TV.

-- And my wife's folks have followed the exact same path.


Which is why we took a hard look at our priorities and the future. And we came up with: What the hell good is reaching retirement age only to be too tired to leave the house? Do we want to "play it safe" and just wait around until we think we have enough money to actually spend it? Gee, that sounds fun... :grumpy:

So we made the decision to screw convention, and decided to buy all the stuff we'd planned on buying when we retired, NOW, and enjoy it all NOW.

And that's exactly what we did. This all started almost 7 years ago, and we've enjoyed the hell out of life because we weren't afraid to go into debt to do it. We've done, and are doing, many things we may have never had the chance to do if our priority was 'save for retirement'. Life is good, and we have not on regret. Aside from our house, we should be debt free in 5 to 7years, which will put us in our mid 60's. Retirement money? With SS, the wife's pension from a prior employer and just working a few hours a week or month just to keep me busy, we'll be pulling in well over $30k a year, plenty enough to make our house payment (which may be done by then too) and to fuel our 40' motorhome and the Chaparral when we galavanting around the country. And we can live on the houseboat in the summer when not galavanting. Or we can move it to warmer climes, and live on it whenever. We also have a mobile home we can move to wherever we want, IF we want. And there's always home.

And when we figure the fun's about over, we'll sell everything, which will still leave us with plenty of money to live on. And what doesn't sell we'll put in our kid's names, so that when they have to stick us in a rest home, medicaid can pay for it instead of THEM.

I guess our priorities and "retirement plan" may seem a bit too far outside the box for some, but it's working for us...

:)


So wait a second, If i understand this you are already right about 60 years old. I say have at it then. If you were in your thirties or 40's I'd say you are crazy but you are already at retirement age. You argue as if you are a much younger person living this out. If you don't do this now...when would you?
Just be aware of the medicaid lookback period for when you transfer your assets and of course the ethics involved in that will soon be looked down upon as surely things start to tighten up. Like how wealthy people are demonized these days I think its going to swing around.
 

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...and if in those down years you kept investing in those mutual funds, putting the money in when the price was down, where would you be now that the market is near its highest levels again?
Totally agree. The last 4 years were the best times to be in the stock market in our lifetimes likely.
 

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Totally agree. The last 4 years were the best times to be in the stock market in our lifetimes likely.

Sure but if you let it ride down to 7,000 again what was the benefit given he's near the end of stock investing day vs more conservative investments. If he was just cashing out now it'd have been great.
 

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Frantically Relaxing,

I can understand what you mean. My friend died suddenly at age 46 without warning. He saved and saved and never spent a dime. Now he is gone. Another boy, a young 19 year old, died of cancer. Who knows what life brings so live it the best you can within reason.
 
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