1999 Volvo Penta 4.3 GL - No fuel pump or crank

drew_caplan

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So here is a head scratcher for you.

While cranking the fuel pump is not running. The relay is getting 12 volts and getting the 12v signal when cranking. Replaced the relay with a new one, no change. Jump straight to the pump and it kicks in.

And than every once in a while the engine wont crank, but the fuel pump is kicking in. Wait a few minutes and than the engine will crank but no fuel pump. This tells me that the ground, relay and 12v is okay.

Is there something in-between these two I am missing/

Any thoughts? So close to the finish line getting this boat back and running.
 

ESGWheel

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With the pump jumped, does the engine run? Previous posts about no spark, backfire, etc. So am curious if now only dealing with a funky electrical issue vs. getting that new engine to run.
 

drew_caplan

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Yes it does. I am thinking a voltage issue? I am wondering if there is a funky wiring issue at the throttle or kill switch that is not running both at the same time.

This seems separate from my timing lol
 

ESGWheel

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Yes it does.
That is great news! Can you please outline the ‘fix’ you did on the ‘New Engine – No Spark’ posting for two reasons: (1) allows others with similar issues to be able to resolve theirs and (2) lets others trying to help that you are all set and thus can focus their energies on your current issue. Thanks!
 

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That is great news! Can you please outline the ‘fix’ you did on the ‘New Engine – No Spark’ posting for two reasons: (1) allows others with similar issues to be able to resolve theirs and (2) lets others trying to help that you are all set and thus can focus their energies on your current issue. Thanks!
Definitely, I will report back on that shortly!
 

drew_caplan

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Alright, so we have temporarily wired the pump to run off a positive 12v from the key in the on position. My mechanic friend and I are stumped, either the engine will turn over and the pump wont run or the engine wont turn over and the pump will run. Electrical bug? Ground? Not sure yet, because we are seeing 12v at the relay when the pump wont run. Downside of this is that if the key is left on, fuel will keep pumping which isn't ideal.
 

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Its been a while. But I had a crank no start issue before.

Sort of the same symptoms. I was getting 12V to the relay bit it would do something funky when I tried to crank. I want to say the voltage dropped low to the pump on the out of the relay.

I'm pretty sure it ended up being nothing to do with the fuel pump but timing was wayyyy off.

Your other thread last post you didn't mention anything about checking timing in your check list. #1 @ TDC and distributor exactly on 1 it will never fire. I tried it on mine and it wasn't going to happen.

I believe initial timing is 6* BTDC. I eyeballed it just to get the motor running then set the timing per the manual.
 
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drew_caplan

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Its been a while. But I had a crank no start issue before.

Sort of the same symptoms. I was getting 12V to the relay bit it would do something funky when I tried to crank. I want to say the voltage dropped low to the pump on the out of the relay.

I'm pretty sure it ended up being nothing to do with the fuel pump but timing was wayyyy off.

Your other thread last post you didn't mention anything about checking timing in your check list. #1 @ TDC and distributor exactly on 1 it will never fire. I tried it on mine and it wasn't going to happen.

I believe initial timing is 6* BTDC. I eyeballed it just to get the motor running then set the timing per the manual.
Thanks and good call, I will check the voltage to the pump on start tomorrow. The one that is throwing me is when I turn the key and I get no starter engage and just the fuel pump running. Doesn’t that seem odd?
 

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Drew, it’s time to get this boat in the water now that it purrs! Congrats on that!
Yet you still need to attack this ‘head scratcher’ so let’s tackle it one logical step at a time. First off need a wiring diagram and multimeter. I have found one that may represent yours that AllDodge posed on this link, post No. 3. Here is another one link, see post No. 4.
  • Note: the below assumes you have a good solid battery and no issues with corrosion, etc at the terminals or engines block ground / starter, etc.
That 10-pin connector (item 4 in both diagrams) is the connection to the helm wiring harness. All your ignition key, etc. ‘signals and power’ come thru that. Given your funky symptoms (it changes) that says to me there is an intermittent problem(s). So, suggest a couple of things to get going and perhaps you already did:

Check the 10-pin connector thoroughly > look for any corrosion, pushed back pins, kinked or broken wires (hard to tell if wire is broken under its insulation by looking, so feel each wire between your fingers like giving it a massage). Even if all looks good, see if you can brighten up the male / female connectors a little bit > for the female using a straightened-out paper clip and shoving it in there and for the pins, scraping down with a straight blade small screwdriver will do the trick.

Next, if by yourself (but if have a helper can skip this ‘bypass’ step), bypass the ignition switch by using jumpers > get a good diagram of how its currently wired and then after pulling off all the connectors, use a multimeter to determine what spade terminals connect when the key is turned to the “Run” and the “Start” positions.

Now pull out the relays associated with the fuel pump and starter and note the terminal that would become HOT on turning the key to Start. In other words, the wire that would become +12V when the key is turned to Start (I think its terminal no. 86). It seems you have found this terminal per your post 1, so idea is to monitor this +!2V to BOTH these relays at the SAME time (get 2 x 12V cheap test lights to make it easy, key is both at SAME time).

Now if you do not have a helper, jump the wires that would be connected in the Start position. If you have a helper, simply turn and HOLD the key to the Start position. Since the relays are pulled no starting and no fuel. But should have both lights light up. Assuming they do jiggle the 10-pin connector and in general jiggle all the wires that connect to the relay sockets, and more.
  • If any of the lights blink or only one light lights up > success! There is a bad connection or wire and need to tease it out.
  • If both the lights stay solid, have a beer and try again 😊
Post results and we’ll go from there….
To the community: all other suggestions welcome!
 

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Well the boat is up and running! I have had to wire the fuel pump to bypass the relay and run whenever the key is in the run position for now. I am going to continue to dig into it and report back the changes I make to return it back to stock. More to come soon. But, and let's be honest, she is purring after the rebuild and that's what matters lol. Thank you to everyone, especially ESGWheel for helping make this happen!
 

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So the saga continues. We have the pump wired directly to run when the key is in the on position, everything was working perfect until all of a sudden now randomly the started wont kick in. I played with a few things, waited a few minutes and than the starter engaged again and the boat started okay. Chasing this little electrical gremlin is turning into a game of hide and seek.

It had me thinking, would a 1999 Volvo Penta/OMC have a neutral switch in the throttle housing and could this be the issue? I am going to pull it tonight and see if maybe it is bad or loose.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!
 

ESGWheel

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Short answer yes. Longer answer if you do not find anything obvious improvise as you have done with the fuel pump. That way you keep enjoying the rest of the season and during the off season pursue the multiple wiring issues you do have. It’s all solvable, just takes some time and logic 😊
 

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I pulled the throttle and cleaned up all of the connections in the neutral switch. I also pulled the main barrel plug at the back and put in electrical grease. Good news is that the boat ran perfectly this weekend! We took it out for the main voyage and even got my son on the kneeboard up!
 

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That is AWESOME!
Congrats!
Did this also solve the need to jump the pump issue?
 

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Honestly I didn't have a chance to touch the pump, it is still wired to run in the 'on' position of the boat. I am going to tackle that in the fall after the boating season ends I think. Right now the harness for the fuel pump in a little worse for wear because of it's age and I can't seem to find a replacement. So I am either going to 3d print a new one, try and a restore this one or just mount the starter and fuel solenoid with an updated harness style off to the side. I have no figured out which way to go. I am trying to post photos but it wont seem to let me..
 

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I got photos to load using IBB, yay!
 

ESGWheel

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Makes total sense, time to enjoy!
And it looks like you just figured out a workaround for the site’s issue about posting pics! Double Congrats!
 
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