1993 Johnson, 200 hp help!

rich_benson

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I’ve worked on this motor before, I have a similar 1993 ocean runner 150 hp and have no problem with the electrical system as it uses OIS.

This is when it stopped working.

I had to change the water pump as the boat has been sitting for years.
The boat ran great with the new water pump. I only had reverse working, so I had to pull the lower unit again and removed the shift linkage.

Upon reinserting to shift linkage/shift rod – the boat would no longer start.

In the past few weeks, I’ve just thrown parts at it. The stater had melted coils, and the flywheel was seized (flywheel puller didn’t work) as it had not been off in 30 years. I finally got it off with a sledgehammer, and only chipped small area of one of the magnets inside the flywheel, which I re-glued in with export.
The fly wheel is not perfectly level, but it’s not terrible either. I believe the magnets have the ability to do their job.

Since I replaced the stater, I also replaced the timer base. Still no spark on all 6 cylinders. After that, I replaced the power pack and the rectifier, along with a spark plug wires. Since I pulled the flywheel off, I was concerned about engine firing cylinders properly but since there is a key on the shaft, I don’t think there’s a way to mess it up. It was synced before, so it should be now unless someone can say different.

I suspect it may be just a simple Killswitch after that, ohms good from the console back to the motor. I have connectivity after some re-wiring.

I cut all of the kill switch wires in an effort to troubleshoot. The Killswitch wire at the center console is pushing 120-130 V when checked with multimeter.

Other than the coils, I have replaced all of the electrical components and traced all of the wires from the harness.

Help!
 

jakedaawg

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You've got something wired wrong. Kill switch wired don't get 120v
 

ghostgixxer

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hi !! Just to make sure I get it right : you’ve replaced the w/p and aft reinstalling the lower unit the motor cranks but no start (no fire) , then after you’ve replaced starter Ect .. ?? Is that the right order ? 😂 .. if so then why did you remove the flywheel to change the starter ? Btw that flywheel has now 50% chances to be dead , these magnets needs to be mint condition and perfect distance and angle from the pickup to work right (you can always leave it there and diagnose other possible issues before buying a new one maybe you’re lucky and it’s still fine) , also when you’ve reinstalled the lower unit : was the boat control @ foward position like it should have been? If so , was the lower unit shift rod @ the foward position perfectly set at the friction point before the neutral position ? If somehow you force the lower unit in and the shift rod gets out of the perfect position (+1 / -1 spline) it could put tension on the shift cable bracket (especially if your cable has a bit of wear/loose)… the result could lead to a perfectly or near perfect shift engagement but could mess with the shift reset switch / neutral switch or both , my brain doesn’t remember all outboards models diagrams perfectly there’s to many of em 😂, if the position messes with the shift reset switch it would kill ignition / spark ..
You’ve also stated you have connectivity to all kill switch wires from console to motor .. did you mean you mean continuity? Basically a kill switch has two wires, one is grounded and the other one goes to the motor’s ignition, when you insert the kill switch key there’s no connection/ground going to the motor’s ignition, when you remove it the contact is made and ground goes to the ignition which kills spark… so if you have CONNECTIVITY in both wires it means ground goes to motor’s ignition to kill spark ( replace kill switch) continuity is good connectivity is bad 😂
Start with what I said and don’t hesitate to to keep me updated 🍻
Chris
 

flyingscott

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The flywheel is bent it is junk now. That's what happens when you hit them with a sledge. You cannot have 120 volts with a 12 volt battery. Have you checked the lanyard switch? Ignition switch?
 

rich_benson

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hi !! Just to make sure I get it right : you’ve replaced the w/p and aft reinstalling the lower unit the motor cranks but no start (no fire) , then after you’ve replaced starter Ect .. ?? Is that the right order ? 😂 .. if so then why did you remove the flywheel to change the starter ? Btw that flywheel has now 50% chances to be dead , these magnets needs to be mint condition and perfect distance and angle from the pickup to work right (you can always leave it there and diagnose other possible issues before buying a new one maybe you’re lucky and it’s still fine) , also when you’ve reinstalled the lower unit : was the boat control @ foward position like it should have been? If so , was the lower unit shift rod @ the foward position perfectly set at the friction point before the neutral position ? If somehow you force the lower unit in and the shift rod gets out of the perfect position (+1 / -1 spline) it could put tension on the shift cable bracket (especially if your cable has a bit of wear/loose)… the result could lead to a perfectly or near perfect shift engagement but could mess with the shift reset switch / neutral switch or both , my brain doesn’t remember all outboards models diagrams perfectly there’s to many of em 😂, if the position messes with the shift reset switch it would kill ignition / spark ..
You’ve also stated you have connectivity to all kill switch wires from console to motor .. did you mean you mean continuity? Basically a kill switch has two wires, one is grounded and the other one goes to the motor’s ignition, when you insert the kill switch key there’s no connection/ground going to the motor’s ignition, when you remove it the contact is made and ground goes to the ignition which kills spark… so if you have CONNECTIVITY in both wires it means ground goes to motor’s ignition to kill spark ( replace kill switch) continuity is good connectivity is bad 😂
Start with what I said and don’t hesitate to to keep me updated 🍻
Chris
I didnt replace the starter - I replaced the STATOR and Timer base (both under the flywheel, because I saw melted goop from a 30 year old stator. I was trying to restore a spark and the CDI tests showed it failed miserably re OHMS.
 

rich_benson

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The flywheel is bent it is junk now. That's what happens when you hit them with a sledge. You cannot have 120 volts with a 12 volt battery. Have you checked the lanyard switch? Ignition switch?
Excellent! This is good intel and the last part of the electrical spark generation system that hasn't been replaced. Multimeter is not showing 120V DC (more like 90-110V DC). Any recommendations on where to get a remanufactured flywheel?
 

rich_benson

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The flywheel is bent it is junk now. That's what happens when you hit them with a sledge. You cannot have 120 volts with a 12 volt battery. Have you checked the lanyard switch? Ignition switch?
Replaced lanyard and Ignition switch. Also cut kill switch wires as a test prior to that.
 

rich_benson

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I am still baffled by no spark at all - flywheel magnets re glued in with only a small chip in one. I really need somewhere to go from here. Sounds like flywheel replacement, but wouldn't it create a weak spark even right now?
I truly believe this is a kill switch / interrupter issue. The boat sat for 5-6 years before I fired it back up...suggestions please
 

flyingscott

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That doesn't look right. Should have 2 wires not 3. 1 from ignition 1 to ground might want to figure out what that one is doing.
 

ct1762@gmail.com

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why not follow manual and get a cheap DVA adapter? why not just diconnect black/yellow at pack to rule out stop circuit? i would NOT run that flywheel . some seriously dangerous stuff. shift switch does not kill the whole motor, only 3 cyl.
 

rich_benson

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why not follow manual and get a cheap DVA adapter? why not just diconnect black/yellow at pack to rule out stop circuit? i would NOT run that flywheel . some seriously dangerous stuff. shift switch does not kill the whole motor, only 3 cyl.
Thanks for the help all. I bought a similar Johnson Ocean Runner 200 HP model and swapped parts. Up and running BUT, now trying to trace high speed vacuum leak or cracked fuel pickup in '78 Mako 23.
 

ct1762@gmail.com

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Thanks for the help all. I bought a similar Johnson Ocean Runner 200 HP model and swapped parts. Up and running BUT, now trying to trace high speed vacuum leak or cracked fuel pickup in '78 Mako 23.
a vacuum leak? the only leaks that would effect a 2 stroke at speed are crank case, intake and upper and lower crank seals.
 
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