1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

[lmoore]

I have this 17' Winner Intrigue and am asking if anyone knows anything about the boat, like is it a good boat. At the present time I am having a problem getting the boat to plane. I have been thru the motor and outdrive but the boat wants to stand on end when given throttle. It also sits in the water at a heck of an angle. The boat does not sit how you would think from the lines on the boat. Am wondering if this boat sits like this or if there is water in the hull or something else. If anyone knows anything about this boat I would appreciate the help. Thanks

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Welcome to iboats.<br /><br />Any number of things could be wrong causing it not to plane out.<br /><br />Have you checked to make sure you have your outdrive trimmed all the way down when first starting out?

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Well did more checking and the boat hull has water in it. The drive is trimmed all the way down or it won't get on plane at all, it will just stand up straight in the water. Looks like I'm going to use it for the summer take out the motor and drive and scrap it. This boat was built in Dikison Tn. so this is the Winner that started back up after Thompson Boats bought Winner. Does anybody have any info on this company. Just curious about that third Winner boat company as to their quality of boats they built. Thanks for any info

 

[gspig]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Check through the posts here on the Winner section. Someone has a link to the only information on the Winner factory in ****son. It is an article in ****son newspaper, that is the only information I have been able to find. I think the Coast Guard site makes mention of other incarnations of Winner, I think there have been 3 other starts and failures.<br /><br />Just noticed you have an '89 boat. That was not made in Tn. I think the Tn factory folded in the '70s.

 

[Kevin W]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

I wish i had more info about Winner boats but i don't.<br />Mine is a very well built boat.<br />I would assum the water in your hull is causing the trouble.<br />if you get the water out you may be surprised.<br />also what type/size motor does it have?<br />Possibly to heavy or overpowering may be causing it.

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

gspig,<br /> Yes the original factory sold to Thompson boats in I think 1976. Thompson boats moved the operation and the equipment was auction off. Then the original factory started back up and nobody knows how 2 boat companies sold the same Winner brand but they did. Go to this link http://****son-online.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=62 and it will talk about it. But the sticker on it does say Di_kison Tn. It seems like a good and solid boat. Riding in it I never feel it slam as I do in other glass boats. I boat on Lake St Clair in Michigan so the waves are rough and close together. I ran the boat in 1 1/2 - 2 1/2' waves last week at 38mpg and it was tossed around but cut thru the waves sweetly. I think I like the boat and am going to fix it. After looking at the construction the boat looks like it won't be too bad of a job fixing it. I figure at lest 2 months though. I just put a hydrofoil on the outdrive and am taking it out tommorrow. It has a 3.0l mercruiser in it so I don't overpowering is a problem. I think just a little bit more power and I would not know I have a problem. I am going to take the boat down and get it weighed on Saturday from checking around I found it should weigh 2100 lbs. Thanks for all the responses and will check back after running it and weighing it. Thanks again and if anyone else has any ideas chime in, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[gspig]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

You are running the same engine that is in my 21 footer. I get it on plane and can run 35 mph. I put a hydrofoil on mine, I found it helped a little getting on plane, but helped more by reducing porposing.<br /> From reading the article, it sounds like a former employee reopened the Tn plant. I would guess that the 80's models might be built the same as the 70's models. My boat has fiberglass box stringers, the floor and transom are wood. There are 2 hull length cavities under the floor with floatation foam. The center space between the stringers on mine is open the full length of the boat and drains to the bilge under the engine. I would check the 2 outer cavities for water.

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Well I went out and what an unbelievable difference. The hydrofoil kept the front down and it just come up out of the water. It still came out too sluggish for me. I am not expecting a performance boat, but it takes it a little to get on plane and top speed of around 36-37. Too rough for a good speed even with the gps too much bouncing up and down so I will have to wait for the speed check. I am really happy with the boat and did more investigating and someone drilled a 1 1/2" hole into the side of the port foam compartment in the back of the bilge. I am using it all summer and will fix it in the winter in the garage. And gspig yes it did help with porposing a lot. That boat would porpose terrible if the drive was lifted up and not lifted very much. 2 nights ago I went out with a buddy fishing and going out was 1 1/2 - 2 1/2' chop with swells from the bigger boats. Those 34-38' throw a heck of a wave but that little 17' cuts right thru it if the trim is down. Well thanks for all the responses and see ya on the water

 

[gspig]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

You may be over-propped. What is your RPM's at wide open throttle? I think for the 165 Merc WOT is 4200 rpm. You may be able to go to a lower pitched prop, that would help your holeshot. If your pitch is correct, you might try venting your prop.

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

RPM's at WOT are 4600 but can vary due to tilt on the outdrive. I have to be careful because the boat still porpuses quite a bit if the drive goes up too far, and I don't mean alot. I have a 17 pitch prop but the RPM's were 5000-5200. Can't rmember it was last year and it was when I had other problems with the boat. When I bought it the engine coupler was slipping and then several other things went wrong. But I do remember that the engine was over red line. I was thinking about putting the 17 back on and see how everything is now. The engine seems to be running great but still have that small question of low rpm torque but no way of testing short of taking it out and puting it on a dyno, that I know of. But the motor runs sweet at idle, low and high rpm, it starts right up so I pretty sure it is not a problem. So I have had alot of problems but mostly due to care not the boat. The boat looked clean and I bought it from a freind of the wifes so I didn't take it out before I bought it. What a mistake I'll never buy a boat that I don't take out and run.

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Hi sillethree
Right now I have the outdrive off doing the gimball bearing and the ujoints. Should be back together in a few days, soon as the heat goes away. The boat has a top end of 34-37mph. And yes it will jump right out of the water, have to be carefull with it. And yes the hydrofoil made a huge diff. Does your boat sit real low in the water? Mine does. So I am not sure if it has water in it making it so low or is it just a poor design? The boat wasn't made too long 1 or 2 yrs I think. I drilled a small hole in the hull and water dripped out when I stuck a scew driver up there. This winter I am going to put her in the gagrage and cut some of the tops of the floatation sections and see if there is water in the foam. If I look down below the fuel tank some one cut a 1" hole in the fiberglass side 1" up from the hull. I don't know if they let watewr out or just messed up and that is where the problem is. Also I noticed the cups holders on the side had water in them and pulled them out and the foam under the cups was soaked with water. I want to take out all the foam I can and replace it with closed cell foam so it won't soak up water if exposed to it. I like the boat but don't really know if it is worth the effort. I'm in Michigan and boats are cheap right now. 18-20ft for 5-10K. But it may be fun to actually restore it. It is a great riding boat it cuts thru the water and does not slam like other boats when running thru 1 1/2-2' waves. But if the outdrive is up it will jump out of the water like a dolphin and you could end up on your head. But if the outdrive is all the way down it just cuts thru the waves sweetly and thats what I love about it. Plus I am getting it set up for fishing and would like to keep it. Sorry for the long reply but I haven't checked this site in a month.

 

[Stumedic]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Winner doesn't use the conventional construction of those days, and doesn't use wood stringers. I have an 18' Winner center console and it absolutely has to have trim tabs-sits very low in the stern, rides bow high and pounds and porpoises without them. With the tabs down it runs like a bat out of hell. 40+. The foam on mine is pretty much up high in the boat-under the gunwales and in a couple of fibreglas compartments under the sole. Some of the foam is waterlogged but I can remove it if I get around to it-it seems they made a sort of compartment out of 1/4" ply under the gunwales to contain the foam.
Anyway, I don't think you'll find a sturdier boat so I would stick with what you got. Stu

 

[lmoore]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Stumedic,
What years are you speaking of. The original manufacturer, or the one that started back up in Di-ckison or the one made by Thompson? I have the one that started back up in Di-ckson. It feels like a solid boat and thats why I am even considering putting so much work into a 17' tha tcan be replaced for cheap right now witht he boat market the way it is. I am considering tabs but they are quite $$.

 

[Stumedic]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

I have an '86 1850 center console. Another forum member, studlymandingo, has the same boat. He too is very impressed by the construction and performance. I've looked at a lot of other boats and the solid construction of the Winner really impresses me. Even the little details like the battery compartments and the anchor locker being gelcoated. The trim tabs were an absolute must. I installed Lenco's, and am very satisfied. Night and day diff in the way the boat rides and handles.
http://forums.iboats.com/bbBoard.cg...e.verizon.net/stuems/winner_construction2.jpg
This brochure should give you an idea of the construction. Stu

 

[Ken Barber]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

I have an '86 1850 center console. Another forum member, studlymandingo, has the same boat. He too is very impressed by the construction and performance. I've looked at a lot of other boats and the solid construction of the Winner really impresses me. Even the little details like the battery compartments and the anchor locker being gelcoated. The trim tabs were an absolute must. I installed Lenco's, and am very satisfied. Night and day diff in the way the boat rides and handles.
http://forums.iboats.com/bbBoard.cg...e.verizon.net/stuems/winner_construction2.jpg
This brochure should give you an idea of the construction. Stu

 

[Ken Barber]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Hey Stumedic or studlymandingo -

My 1850 center console has lost the plate that lists the weight/people the boat can carry. Can one of you bounce back with the capacities of the 1850 CC?

I am the one with the 89 1850 CC, 140 HP evinrude on a transom bracket. WIth the bracket, it does ride low at low speeds, but I have no trouble getting onto plane with 1/2-3/4 power. I had three kids and three adults on it this week and had not problems, and not trim tabs. There is a hydrofoil on the engine, and had it trimmed all the way down.

Thanks for the capacities info

 

[Stumedic]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

Hey Stumedic or studlymandingo -

My 1850 center console has lost the plate that lists the weight/people the boat can carry. Can one of you bounce back with the capacities of the 1850 CC?

I am the one with the 89 1850 CC, 140 HP evinrude on a transom bracket. WIth the bracket, it does ride low at low speeds, but I have no trouble getting onto plane with 1/2-3/4 power. I had three kids and three adults on it this week and had not problems, and not trim tabs. There is a hydrofoil on the engine, and had it trimmed all the way down.

Thanks for the capacities info

Hi Ken, My boat has no info on it other than the hull# and a label telling you not to forget to put the transon plugs back in if you aren't underway. No uscg tag. My boat planes out at 3200 rpm, and with the tabs I can actually keep it on the plane at about 2800, weather permitting. At 3200, which is practically an idle for a 175 Johnson, the boat does 20-25 knots. At 3400 I'm between 25 and 28. I think a 28 knot cruise in the Atlantic is a nice speed, as I don't really feel like stressing things too much. I've had the boat over 40 and it still had more to go. As far as the trim tabs go, they weren't working when I bought the boat and I just trimmed out the engine. Everything was ok as long as the sea was calm. The second it got choppy I was getting my teeth kicked in. With the tabs it's like a different boat. I have to try to get it to pound, and the engine sure likes it when it isn't trimmed all the way down. Get it on the plane, trim the engine up, and the rpm's go up 2-300. Stu

 

[studlymandingo]

Re: 1989 Winner 1700 Intrigue

CG plate says 6 persons, the lbs rating is too faded.