1989 200 evinrude will not start

[chrisbassin]

I have replaced the stator, powerpack and timer base and this thing still won't start. getting gas to plugs but will not start. Don't know what else to try ! Could it be the key switch? Please help

 

[boobie]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

Will the spark jump a 7/16 " open air gap on a spark tester ?? If not disconnect the black/yellow wire from the pack and see what happens. How's the compression on it ??

 

[chrisbassin]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

No it will not jump. Its only tryin to fire on one cylinder. Compression is about 115 to 120 on all. Let me give you a run down on how all this started. Bought the boat, took it out and ran it, it ran fine for a while then it acted like it was running out of gas (bogged down). Took it and had it checked and said it was pack, stator and timerbase. Changed pack and stator first with very little change besides the charging part. Had carbs redone with no change, in fact it started back up one time after putting carbs back on. Put the timer base on and now it wont even try to start, is there any way it could be the KILL or KEY SWITCH? I also unhooked the black/yellow wire and still nothing.

 

[Greg_E]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

By disconnecting the black and yellow wire from the powerpack you have removed the kill switch, key switch and shift interrupt switch from the equation. The key switch and kill switch short the black and yellow wire to ground killing spark to all six cylinders. The shift interrupt switch shorts the starboard bank to ground momentarily to drop the rpms so it goes into gear easily. With that wire disconnected they are not in play.
When you had the flywheel off did you check that the charge magnets were still epoxied in place. Also the timer base trigger magnets in the center hub of the flywheel can shift. You can go to CDI's webpage and print a page showing the proper location of the timer magnets for various models and years.
http://www.cdielectronics.com/TechService/OMC Flywheel Trigger Magnet Location.pdf

How are you testing for spark? It seems kind of strange that only one plug fires.

I know enough to be dangerous but I think what I have told you is correct. Hopefully one of the experts will step in.

 

[chrisbassin]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

Checked spark with inline tester and by pulling plug and turning the engine over . No spark. As i said before the pack, stator and timerbase are all new.Is there any kind of relays or fuses on this thing that could cause the problem? Magnets are good.

 

[Greg_E]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

I don't have the 1989 wiring diagram in front of me but if I recall correctly the red wire from the power pack goes directly to the large starter solenoid positive stud. The wire from your battery switch is on that same terminal, so no, there is no fuse or relay.

Which is it? Do you have no spark or spark on one cylinder? Big difference!

Some things you can check:
On one of the small terminals on the starter solenoid is a yellow wire with red stripe. If the starter cranks you know that wire is good from the key switch to the solenoid. That wire branches off in the engine harness after the big red plug. One branch goes to the solenoid and the other goes to the yellow and red striped wire coming out of the power pack. You can disconnect that plug and Ohm out that connection.
I have never tried this, but I've read that if you get a remote starter (under $20 at Advance Auto,etc.)and hook it up, you can unplug the big red connector and the engine should start. If it starts the problem is in the harness going to the helm. If it doesn't the problem is in the engine harness or components. If you do this there is no way to turn the engine off if it starts, you will need some rags or something to block air from getting to the carbs, so it stalls.

The Amphenol pins that go into those small rubber plugs can break inside the connector right where the wire is crimped. It looks ok, but it can be broken or connected by a single strand. Any that weren't changed along with the stator, timer base and power pack deserve a second look.

When you say the magnets are good, you checked the flywheel timer magnet location against the CDI document I linked to in my previous post?

 

[sailfish-steve]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

Did you find your problem? I too have an 89 200 that is exhibiting the same symptoms. Interested in seeing your outcome.

Steve

 

[JDusza]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

Pardon my intrusion. Should we recap?

You have good compression, all 6.
You have spark in one of six cylinders, confirmed with an in-line spark tester and the old fashioned grounded plug method.
You have replaced stator, power pack and timer base with no positive result.

You do have 6 coils on this, right?
If you have spark in one cylinder, use that ignition coil on another cylinder that is not sparking. Repeat this process for those cylinders not firing. That will answer the coil question.

CDI has an excellent trouble-shooting method. Check out their website: http://www.cdielectronics.com. With a DVA and voltmeter you can identify the failed component.

J

 

[chrisbassin]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

I have not resolved the problem. It does have six coils and i have no spark at all. The power pack ,stator and timer base are all new. Taking it today to have all these parts tested. Will post when i find out the problem. I am so confused it aint even funny not to mention the money i have spent. Hope to know something soon!!

 

[Greg_E]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

As J Dusza mentioned, CDI has a good troubleshooting guide.

If you have no spark at all you are not getting +12VDC to the power pack or the black and yellow wires for the kill circuit are always shorted to ground. I'm sure there are other things that can also cause this condition, but I would start by checking the kill circuit.
The black and yellow wire should only be shorted to ground when the switch is off. If your boat has one of those safety switches with the clip on a lanyard that you clip to your belt, that must be in place as well. If that clip is not in place, the switch is shorted to ground killing the spark. If both of those check OK and the black and yellow wire is shorted to ground with the key switch on and the safety clip in place (if you have one), then you need to find the source of the short. Use the CDI troubleshooting guide. Some of the tests require specialized test equipment, but many of them can be done by doing resistance or voltage checks with an inexpensive multimeter.
There is no magic bullet that is going to fix this problem. Read the CDI guide. Do some checks and report your findings. There are many people here that are way more knowledgeable than me, but they can't help if they don't have something to go on.

 

[chrisbassin]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

UPDATE ! Well after months of frustration and dead end roads the problem is fixed ! Turns out it was the flywheel that was bad. Thanks to all for the help with my PROBLEMS .

 

[boobie]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

Was it by any chance the center flywheel magnet ??

 

[chrisbassin]

Re: 1989 200 evinrude will not start

I guess that is what it was . the guy said he thought it had spun the center magnet. Anyway he put a flywheel on it and it fired right up.