1988 Johnson 90 hp V4 carb has no suction top carb

Dozin

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Anyone have an idea why if I put my hand over the top carb while running there's no movement. It's not sucking any air. Feels completely dead. Bottom carb plenty of suction. There's really good compression in all 4 cylinders. Reeds looked good. Don't get it.
 

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Throttle plates opening ??----Crankshaft sealing rings broken ?
 

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are we talking about when the motor is revving under load or just at idle speed ?.
 

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Throttle plates opening ??----Crankshaft sealing rings broken ?
are we talking about when the motor is revving under load or just at idle speed ?.

shouldn’t matter.
Throttle plates opening ??----Crankshaft sealing rings broken ?
yes. Throttle plates open. That shouldn’t matter, I should feel a suction with throttle plates closed.
There’s no signs of oil under the flywheel. I assume the seal is fine.
 

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Are there perhaps issues with crankshaft sealing rings , yes , no or no idea what I am referring to ??
 

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Wouldn't any damaged/leaking seals also affect compression? If compression is good, then there should also be good suction to draw air in, right? Nevermind, compression is within the cylinder, suction would be within the crank case.
 

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It should pull in air all the time when running.
under normal conditions it should , however ,not if there is an air leak in the lower part of the engine , it will not suck air @ idle. hence my reason for asking .
 

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under normal conditions it should , however ,not if there is an air leak in the lower part of the engine , it will not suck air @ idle. hence my reason for asking .
If there’s an air leak in the lower half wouldn’t it affect the lower carb and not the upper?
 

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How is the motor running? What are the symptoms, or is it just an observation on your part and the motor is running fine? What do the top spark plugs look like compared to the bottom? Any sign of top looking like it's running lean/rich?
 

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How is the motor running? What are the symptoms, or is it just an observation on your part and the motor is running fine? What do the top spark plugs look like compared to the bottom? Any sign of top looking like it's running lean/rich?
At first, on muffs, the engine would start up and sometimes run away. I couldn’t shut the key off to stop the engine. I noticed that the voltage regulator wasn’t working and replaced it. The engine doesn’t run away anymore but only runs at high idle. Even at 3000 RPMs there’s no suction on that top dual carb. Lower the idle and it seems to run out of fuel. I’ve never seen a situation where I didn’t have suction from the top carb. Usually you put your hand over the carb, you can draw more fuel out of the carb. This has nothing. Carbs have been cleaned several times. They’re non adjustable dual carbs.

It makes no sense to me. 2 strokes are scavenging engines. If i have good compression it’s drawing air in, correct? I’ve also sprayed the engine with brake cleaner and there’s no rpm acceleration. #baffled
 

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Nope-----The reed valves and air going INTO the motor have nothing to do with compression in the cylinder !!
 

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Nope-----The reed valves and air going INTO the motor have nothing to do with compression in the cylinder !!
What? The piston is an air pump. It drawing air in through the reeds and on the down stroke air goes out the exhaust.
 

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You need to take a look at this carefully.-----When intake and exhaust ports are open.----The cylinder will have air in it.----When piston goes up the intake ports close.----Then the exhaust ports close.-----Then compression starts.-----You could throw carburetors and reed valve on the garage floor and still show good compression.
 
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