1988 Cruisers Inc with 7.5L Cobra combo.

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I saw other posts saying to stay away from the Cobra's, but most of those were mid 90's . Is this earlier one also a "Run far, far, away " outdrive ?
 

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Yes, OMC went out of buisness in 1998. If you run into a 94 or newer OMC, with the SX style drive, they are OK, because that is the Volvo design and parts and techs are readily available.
 

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I saw other posts saying to stay away from the Cobra's, but most of those were mid 90's . Is this earlier one also a "Run far, far, away " outdrive ?

Howdy,

This model, particularly with the 7.5L (460 Ford) engine is a "Run-even-faster", not only because certain drive parts no longer available but there's certain 460 specific parts that are not available either.........like the coupler, which is a "show-stopper" part, and the exhaust manifolds and risers.......


Although recently the manifolds have shown up on the retail market either because someone found a "cache" of "new" old stock parts, or a company is actually making them again.

If you look for them you'll find that they are 2-3 times the price of more common manifolds for the engines that are still in production....(the demand is falling fast.........you've heard of "Supply/Demand")


Yes. Run far, Run fast.......tell your friends!


Friends don't let friends buy 7.5L Cobras..........



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Friends don't let friends buy 7.5L Cobras..........

Ayuh,... Even Enemies,....
 

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I'm gonna become one of my pet peeves { Ask a question, then , not like the anwer!} LOL !!! This is a 27 ft cruiser set up exactly how I want it . I'm gonna attempt to do a "live-aboard" at a local marina/campground. The engine has been built, bored, etc. with paperwork to prove it. Maybe 10hrs on it. I'm VERY familiar with boats and I am a Mercruiser fan. My thinking is that the vessel wont be tubing, skiing, etc. , a trip to the sand bar , islands, or waterfront reataurants a few times a week [freshwater lake]. Worst case scenario : outdrive explodes first day I drive it. I find rebuilt one or have that one rebuilt, would'nt that be something I wouldnt have to worry about for a few years ? Or is this the Cobra that crappy that it would be a continuous problem? HONEST opinions are well appreciated !!! THANX guy's !!
 

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I find rebuilt one or have that one rebuilt,

Ayuh,... The problem is NLA parts,...
No Longer Available....

'n it's more so the Motor, as the drive...
Although they both share that part #...
 

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Re: 1988 Cruisers Inc with 7.5L Cobra combo.

I'm gonna become one of my pet peeves { Ask a question, then , not like the anwer!} LOL !!! This is a 27 ft cruiser set up exactly how I want it . I'm gonna attempt to do a "live-aboard" at a local marina/campground. The engine has been built, bored, etc. with paperwork to prove it. Maybe 10hrs on it. I'm VERY familiar with boats and I am a Mercruiser fan. My thinking is that the vessel wont be tubing, skiing, etc. , a trip to the sand bar , islands, or waterfront reataurants a few times a week [freshwater lake]. Worst case scenario : outdrive explodes first day I drive it. I find rebuilt one or have that one rebuilt, would'nt that be something I wouldnt have to worry about for a few years ? Or is this the Cobra that crappy that it would be a continuous problem? HONEST opinions are well appreciated !!! THANX guy's !!



Cant speak to the 460...other than in trucks. They are great there though. We had this discussion in another thread about the lack of parts for the Cobra. *MY EXPERIENCE* ...and like I said, I cant speak to the inside of the transom...is that in my area, which is SE TN, I have not seen this OMC Cobra parts shortage. They are readily available and much cheaper than the SX stuff. The ONE SX drive I had, was ridiculously expensive to get parts for. the pre-SX, but post-Stringer Cobra drives *IN MY EXPERIENCE* have been tough and reliable drives. However...if you fear it too much, the transom cut out for the Cobra (non-SX) drives is the same as the Merc, so you can always swap. Furthermore, SEI makes an adapter to adapt your OMC to a Merc outdrive. it is $350. I have *zero* experience with these, or the drives that SEI sells...but it is an option I have, and am also looking at. If the price is right, I would say go for it. But that's just me.
 

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I'm VERY familiar with boats and I am a Mercruiser fan.
If I HAD to have that boat, the only way I would buy it would be if I already had a line on a BBC/Mercruiser Bravo III or BBC/Volvo Penta DPS and already had it in the garage.

THEN I would offer a LOT less than the owner wanted knowing that I would be removing the OMG King Kobra engine,transom mount, drive and harness.

Then I would ebay, craigslist, Boat-trader the stuff piece by piece while installing the Merc or Volvo stuff in it's place.


The owner KNOWS that they have more money in the boat than it could EVER be worth.

ANYONE who has had an OMC 460 King Kobra powererd boat for ANY length of time knows EXACTLY what they have.


I was VERY LUCKY. I was able to sell all the OMC 460 stuff "Firewall-Forward" (prop to alternator belt etc.....) piece by piece for about $3500 over 2 or 3 years.


I think I was VERY lucky.........VERY LUCKY


We're just trying to warn you and others that you are MUCH better off just looking for a similar boat that's newer/Merc/Volvo powered etc.


I wouldn't buy any boat that I couldn't buy a coupler for. They can fail at any time..........


Good luck. You'll need it if you buy that thing.....AND if you do, invest in a good "kicker"..............


SEI makes an adapter to adapt your OMC to a Merc outdrive. it is $350. I have *zero* experience with these, or the drives that SEI sells...but it is an option I have, and am also looking at. If the price is right, I would say go for it. But that's just me. .........................Furthermore, SEI makes an adapter to adapt your OMC to a Merc outdrive. it is $350. I have *zero* experience with these, or the drives that SEI sells...but it is an option I have, and am also looking at. If the price is right, I would say go for it. But that's just me.
That just DOESN'T APPLY to a 460 King Cobra. SEI makes NOTHING to work with it......That's why we're suggesting he not get it......






Rick
 

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Re: 1988 Cruisers Inc with 7.5L Cobra combo.

If I HAD to have that boat, the only way I would buy it would be if I already had a line on a BBC/Mercruiser Bravo III or BBC/Volvo Penta DPS and already had it in the garage.

THEN I would offer a LOT less than the owner wanted knowing that I would be removing the OMG King Kobra engine,transom mount, drive and harness.

Then I would ebay, craigslist, Boat-trader the stuff piece by piece while installing the Merc or Volvo stuff in it's place.


The owner KNOWS that they have more money in the boat than it could EVER be worth.

ANYONE who has had an OMC 460 King Kobra powererd boat for ANY length of time knows EXACTLY what they have.


I was VERY LUCKY. I was able to sell all the OMC 460 stuff "Firewall-Forward" (prop to alternator belt etc.....) piece by piece for about $3500 over 2 or 3 years.


I think I was VERY lucky.........VERY LUCKY


We're just trying to warn others that you are MUCH better off just looking for a similar boat that's newer/Merc/Volvo powered etc.


I wouldn't buy any boat that I couldn't buy a coupler for. They can fail at any time..........


Good luck. You'll need it if you buy that thing.....AND if you do, invest in a good "kicker"..............





That just DOESN'T APPLY to a 460 King Cobra. SEI makes NOTHING to work with it......That's why we're suggesting he not get it......






Rick




Sorry...forgot the 7.5 was the King Cobra. Know nothing about them, except they sound great on the water. Just hate the Cobra bashing around here. Its almost worse than the Bayliner bashing, and for less reason.

Listen to Rick...he knows these for sure.
 

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Sorry...forgot the 7.5 was the King Cobra. Know nothing about them, except they sound great on the water.

Listen to Rick...he knows these for sure.


Um,

Mine sounded REALLY GREAT on the water when I had the 460 with Capt's Call installed!!!!!!!!
 

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Um,

Mine sounded REALLY GREAT on the water when I had the 460 with Capt's Call installed!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Know nothing about them except they sound REALLY GREAT on the water ... especially with a thru hull exhaust!
 

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"Friends don't let friends buy 7.5L Cobras.......... "


Ayuh,... Even Enemies,....


That's funny right there! And it's the truth!
 

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You loose a coupler on a 460, and you are dead in the water.
There are no new ones, and a few years ago there were a few that went for $1200 a pop. Now there are none. No, you can't redrill something else. You're done.
Same with the original cone clutch OMC king cobra. It dies, you're done. There are no replacement drives, or parts. You're done. You also can't adapt any other drive to that transom shield.

Any more questions?
 

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seems crazy that there are no replacement parts for those drives. I believe you when you say it, if you have owned one, you would definitely know, but it just seems crazy. there were a lot of those drives built and sold. I wonder why no aftermarket support? what a waste.
 

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there were a lot of those drives built and sold. I wonder why no aftermarket support? what a waste.

There wasn't that many made. Ford hasn't been in the marine buisness since OMC, Aftermarket won't touch it because there isn't a big enough market to make it profitable.
You buy something from a company that is out of business, don't expect a lot of help for parts or service. It doesn't exist.

Want to find a new transmission for your old Nash Rambler? Same exact thing.
 

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There wasn't that many made. Ford hasn't been in the marine buisness since OMC, Aftermarket won't touch it because there isn't a big enough market to make it profitable.
You buy something from a company that is out of business, don't expect a lot of help for parts or service. It doesn't exist.

Want to find a new transmission for your old Nash Rambler? Same exact thing.

Ayuh,... I like that,...

The Nash Rambler of I/Os,...
The 460 King Cobra,.....

That must make the Merc 470, the Edsel of I/Os,... :D
 

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seems crazy that there are no replacement parts for those drives. I believe you when you say it, if you have owned one, you would definitely know, but it just seems crazy. there were a lot of those drives built and sold. I wonder why no aftermarket support? what a waste.

I see your point.......AND I agree with you............But OMC only offered the Dog-clutch 460 King Cobras from 87-89. (3 years) The 7.5L engine was only offered a couple years after that and then it "went away" completely.........NO ONE offered the 460 after that except for some jet bote makers.......

Because of that, the after market didn't really pickup the after market parts. AND the lack of the REALLY important ones (like manifolds, risers, and coupler) which turn out to be real "show-stoppers" can really be a downer......

I went through ALL of this when I needed to rebuild the 460 that was in my Four Winns Liberator. I investigated EVERYTHING because I needed to over haul the engine after I had a manifold-riser leak that essentially ruined the engine.

I had a a good coupler, and would eventually need manifolds and risers. (my manifolds and risers were usable but it didn't make sense to put used rusty manifolds and risers on a $3600 engine only to have to replace them a year or 2 later) AND I didn't want a repeat of the damage caused by leaking manifold/risers.............

I did find stock manifolds for $1400 EACH:eek::eek: (They're now around $750+ $100 shipping now....) I DID not find risers then..... and although I did find a couple of couplers back then, they're considered NLA now.

(to be fair.....there's a place in Canada now that will modify your 460 flywheel to accept a Volvo or Mercruiser coupler I think ) $899....... click to see.......



OK,

so lets summarize...... Michigan Motors has manifolds and risers for $2350 + shipping, PLUS $900 for coupler mod from that Canadian company (+ shipping both ways.....)


Assuming the engine and drive are good, you have to spend over $3250 just to replace normal wear parts that would be under $1000 or a Merc/Volvo.

And this doesn't speak to ANY parts problems for a King Cobra drive.........many parts that are still available now....for the smaller Cobra drives (5.8L and smaller engines) are simply NOT available at all for the larger (108oz oil capacity) drive.......


This is NOT an anti-OMC rant. My OMC 460 King Cobra ran well for more than 20 years with no real problems!! (except that 2 different FW dealers screwed up the drive oil 2 separate times and both ended up replacing the drives!!)

But it was largely trouble free...... I bought the boat from my brother who bought it new...........BUT knowing what I know now, I would NOT have bought it at all!!


Also, because of todays boat and financial markets, There's a LOT of boats out there with Merc/Volvo engines installed that can be bought for a "song"........so there's not much reason to consider OMC powered boats at all............



ymmv........



Rick
 

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This is NOT an anti-OMC rant.
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Oh come on.......You have to use a meter shunt to get an accurate reading!!!
 
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