1986 Mercury 25hp leaking water from a weird spot......

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ccruiser91

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Good morning;

I have an 86 Mercury 25hp outboard, s/n 0b172098, on a 2006 Cobra R208 River Boat.

Here are some details about my engine:

It is in very good shape. The gentleman who owned it before me did everything right. It was winterized properly and looks and has run great.

I wasn't able to use the boat last year and am hoping to use it soon. I decided to replace the impeller and even though my motor didn't have a thermostat, according to the s/n, it was supposed to, so, last week I added the thermostat, gasket and impeller and those procedures went well. I blew out the hose running from the thermostat to the tell-tale and from the thermostat housing through the block and met no restrictions. I put the motor in a barrel, added enough water to cover the cavitation plate and fired it up. Water wasn't "shooting" out of the tell-tale, but, it was coming out in a steady stream. The volume increased once the thermostat opened, but, once again, it wasn't shooting out like I thought it would.

It was then I noticed water coming out of the seam where the lower unit butts up against the drive shaft housing (the four bolts that attach the lower unit to the shaft housing were torqued to 25ft/lbs, per the Seloc manual instructions, after the impeller change). I immediately figured I must have misaligned the copper water tube that runs from the impeller up to the block. I took the motor out of the water, drained and removed the lower unit and dried up the water that had collected around the impeller. I looked up the drive shaft housing to see if I might have knocked a fitting/bushing loose where the copper tube fits into the head and everything looked ok. As I reinstalled the lower unit, being extra cautious, using an extra pair of hands (my wife's) along with a good flashlight, I made sure everything was perfectly aligned this time, and it was. I bolted everything back together, filled the lower unit, put it back into the "test tank", fired it up again and had the exact same results as before.

I removed the lower unit again and had the idea to remove the copper water tube from the impeller, then install it back up into the head and blow through the hose from the tell-tale, to see if I could feel any air coming through the copper tube and felt nothing. In fact, removing my finger from the end of the copper tube and replacing it, like one would do keep a liquid in a straw, didn't even change the sound of the air I was blowing through the tell-tale tube. I'm thinking I need to replace the parts listed as #3 and #4 in the attached diagram, or could it be indicative of something else? I really want to fix this motor and cannot afford to replace the whole thing at this time so any advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance for your assistance.

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quicktach

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did you take out the t-stat before reverse blowing the compressed air? If not, do so and see if you get air flow.
 

ccruiser91

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I did not take out the thermostat, but, I could blow air back through the engine with it in place. I could hear it going somewhere, it just wasn't coming back down through the copper water pipe I had reinstalled into the head. The gasket around the thermostat has a little bypass cut into it that I figured would allow a little water or in this case, air, to get around the thermostat until it opened. It is dark here now so I'll take the thermostat out tomorrow and see what happens. Thank for the quick response!
 

flyingscott

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The stream being weaker with the thermostat in is normal. I don't understand the problem you are having you don't mention overheating at all. The water does two things in the motor first it cools the power head second it cools the exhaust in the exhaust housing. After the water leaves the powerhead it freefalls through the exhaust housing to the prop or wherever else it can get out. So when you blow air through the thermostat it's just going down the exhaust leg path of least resistance. When you say water leaks out between between the lower and the exhaust housing how did you see that in a test tank. The water has to be above the waterpump in a tank which puts it above the seam.
 

ccruiser91

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flyingscott, the powerhead was just warm to the touch while it ran it for 30 minutes or so the first time I started it up after installing the thermostat, gasket and impeller. The water coming out of the tell-tale was warmer than I expected it to be, but, figured out it would be since the thermostat doesn't open until it reaches a higher temperature. Also, the seam between the lower unit housing and drive shaft housing was an inch or so above the water level in the barrel and the water was above the water pump inlets. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, even when this motor was brand-spanking new, air being blown back through the tell-tale, through the engine, would not come out of the copper water tube exclusively, but would also come out the exhaust leg? If that's the case, I should be good to go!
 

flyingscott

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Yes you should. A couple of things you need to watch on that motor Change the waterpump regularly and check for the cyl ingesting water.Easy to check if you have water either the spark plugs will be spotless and shiny or have a white powder on them. That telltale will be hot its normal. Do not run it without a thermostat and first time out keep an eye on it and happy boating.
 

Forestlake

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Good morning;

I have an 86 Mercury 25hp outboard, s/n 0b172098, on a 2006 Cobra R208 River Boat.

Here are some details about my engine:

It is in very good shape. The gentleman who owned it before me did everything right. It was winterized properly and looks and has run great.

I wasn't able to use the boat last year and am hoping to use it soon. I decided to replace the impeller and even though my motor didn't have a thermostat, according to the s/n, it was supposed to, so, last week I added the thermostat, gasket and impeller and those procedures went well. I blew out the hose running from the thermostat to the tell-tale and from the thermostat housing through the block and met no restrictions. I put the motor in a barrel, added enough water to cover the cavitation plate and fired it up. Water wasn't "shooting" out of the tell-tale, but, it was coming out in a steady stream. The volume increased once the thermostat opened, but, once again, it wasn't shooting out like I thought it would.

It was then I noticed water coming out of the seam where the lower unit butts up against the drive shaft housing (the four bolts that attach the lower unit to the shaft housing were torqued to 25ft/lbs, per the Seloc manual instructions, after the impeller change). I immediately figured I must have misaligned the copper water tube that runs from the impeller up to the block. I took the motor out of the water, drained and removed the lower unit and dried up the water that had collected around the impeller. I looked up the drive shaft housing to see if I might have knocked a fitting/bushing loose where the copper tube fits into the head and everything looked ok. As I reinstalled the lower unit, being extra cautious, using an extra pair of hands (my wife's) along with a good flashlight, I made sure everything was perfectly aligned this time, and it was. I bolted everything back together, filled the lower unit, put it back into the "test tank", fired it up again and had the exact same results as before.

I removed the lower unit again and had the idea to remove the copper water tube from the impeller, then install it back up into the head and blow through the hose from the tell-tale, to see if I could feel any air coming through the copper tube and felt nothing. In fact, removing my finger from the end of the copper tube and replacing it, like one would do keep a liquid in a straw, didn't even change the sound of the air I was blowing through the tell-tale tube. I'm thinking I need to replace the parts listed as #3 and #4 in the attached diagram, or could it be indicative of something else? I really want to fix this motor and cannot afford to replace the whole thing at this time so any advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Hows your engine doing? Think I have the same problem., posting a link that shows my motor :
Dont dare to run it unless I know wether or not it should be like this. Im a beginner to boating.
Greetings from Sweden
 

flyingscott

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Hows your engine doing? Think I have the same problem., posting a link that shows my motor :
Dont dare to run it unless I know wether or not it should be like this. Im a beginner to boating.
Greetings from Sweden
Did you just change the water pump?
 

Forestlake

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Did you just change the water pump?
Yes changed it a few months ago after I bought it and now started it up again to test the engine before taking it to the lake for the first time.
dont know how it was before the change either, but the thing you wrote sounded logic.
Would also be interesting to hear what the topic creator experienced after this.
 

flyingscott

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Yes changed it a few months ago after I bought it and now started it up again to test the engine before taking it to the lake for the first time.
dont know how it was before the change either, but the thing you wrote sounded logic.
Would also be interesting to hear what the topic creator experienced after this.
Start your own thread don't hijack others , Not to mention this one is 7 yrs old.
 

racerone

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Water in a test bucket MUST be 6 to 8" above the impeller.-----These pump do not move air very well.
 
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