starcraftkid
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The measurements are correct, I've got four sets of micrometers, and three pair of Mitutoyo and Starrett digital calipers here, I've got a Starrett 3089 bore taper gauge, and two sets of telescoping type gauges as well.
There is no mistake, the pistons are larger than the whole, if they weren't, I wouldn't have ever made this post, it would be a non issue if they came out and were just fine or damaged in a normal way where I just tossed them in the bucket with the rest of the scrap.
If all this made sense it would have been stuck on the shelf and forgotten about or on its way to being finished by now.
The bore measures 3.00" The bore is round and square.
The pistons measure 2.96 just behind the ring lands, they jump up to 2.98" near the pin, then they jump up to 3.014" at 1.377" from the bottom of the skirt. Both pistons are identical.
No, they will not fit back into the bore, if I remove the rings, and turn the pistons over, each piston will drop freely into the bore up to the point where the skirt expands.
If I hadn't taken them out myself I'd never believe they came out of there. When I removed them, the whole block, with both pistons in it just came out of the spray wash cabinet. The spray washer is set at 165°F.
The parts are too hot to touch when they come out. After soaking the block in Evaporust to clean up the cylinders I ran it through the washer to heat it up. Then I was able to tap out the pistons using a block of wood and a mallet. The top piston moved easier than the lower but neither was severely stuck, but it was when it was cold. I really was expecting to see severe rust pitting but the cylinders are spot clean, no sign of any pitting or rust, no scoring, the same with the pistons. With as tight at the pistons were I also would have figured they would have been scratched up but there's not so much as a mark on them.
I can't imagine anyone thinking that stuffing oversized pistons into a too small bore would ever work, the only way it could be done is by temperature difference, but that would likely have locked it up the instant both parts equalized in temperature. Considering this motor really looked untouched I doubt that's the case.
As a test, I heated the pistons back up in the spray washer, at 167°F, the piston measured 3.023" growing .009". (no rings, piston pin, or rod attached).
I did the same with one of the other used pistons and those only grow .004" when warm.
The pistons from this motor are much heavier than the used sets I have here. The difference several ounces or so. Enough that its blatantly noticeable in hand.
The simple fact that the used pistons, which I have here from another motor I took apart a few years ago, will drop right in and fit fine, the issue here is with the pistons. The used pistons are 2.96 to 2.97 at the bottom of the skirt area. With the rings off, they move freely up and down in the bore on this motor as they should. I have both a set of brand new OMC std pistons here and a set of Wiseco pistons for this if I were going to rebuild it and both fit just fine into the stock 3" bore.
I have no doubt that at room temp, the pistons I took out would not be able to be reinstalled without major force and severe damage, but the big question is what on earth happened to these and how did they get this way or how did they manage to gain size after coming out of the block and cooling down.
There is no mistake, the pistons are larger than the whole, if they weren't, I wouldn't have ever made this post, it would be a non issue if they came out and were just fine or damaged in a normal way where I just tossed them in the bucket with the rest of the scrap.
If all this made sense it would have been stuck on the shelf and forgotten about or on its way to being finished by now.
The bore measures 3.00" The bore is round and square.
The pistons measure 2.96 just behind the ring lands, they jump up to 2.98" near the pin, then they jump up to 3.014" at 1.377" from the bottom of the skirt. Both pistons are identical.
No, they will not fit back into the bore, if I remove the rings, and turn the pistons over, each piston will drop freely into the bore up to the point where the skirt expands.
If I hadn't taken them out myself I'd never believe they came out of there. When I removed them, the whole block, with both pistons in it just came out of the spray wash cabinet. The spray washer is set at 165°F.
The parts are too hot to touch when they come out. After soaking the block in Evaporust to clean up the cylinders I ran it through the washer to heat it up. Then I was able to tap out the pistons using a block of wood and a mallet. The top piston moved easier than the lower but neither was severely stuck, but it was when it was cold. I really was expecting to see severe rust pitting but the cylinders are spot clean, no sign of any pitting or rust, no scoring, the same with the pistons. With as tight at the pistons were I also would have figured they would have been scratched up but there's not so much as a mark on them.
I can't imagine anyone thinking that stuffing oversized pistons into a too small bore would ever work, the only way it could be done is by temperature difference, but that would likely have locked it up the instant both parts equalized in temperature. Considering this motor really looked untouched I doubt that's the case.
As a test, I heated the pistons back up in the spray washer, at 167°F, the piston measured 3.023" growing .009". (no rings, piston pin, or rod attached).
I did the same with one of the other used pistons and those only grow .004" when warm.
The pistons from this motor are much heavier than the used sets I have here. The difference several ounces or so. Enough that its blatantly noticeable in hand.
The simple fact that the used pistons, which I have here from another motor I took apart a few years ago, will drop right in and fit fine, the issue here is with the pistons. The used pistons are 2.96 to 2.97 at the bottom of the skirt area. With the rings off, they move freely up and down in the bore on this motor as they should. I have both a set of brand new OMC std pistons here and a set of Wiseco pistons for this if I were going to rebuild it and both fit just fine into the stock 3" bore.
I have no doubt that at room temp, the pistons I took out would not be able to be reinstalled without major force and severe damage, but the big question is what on earth happened to these and how did they get this way or how did they manage to gain size after coming out of the block and cooling down.