1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

MacDaddy21

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I have been working on my 1979 402 for quite awhile now and have gotten into some tricky issues. Serial # is 5253808. What I have done this far:

1. Brand new CDI ignition module
2. Replace carburetor with newer cleaner carb
3. Wire in new ignition switch and replace 95% of all wiring
4. Replace fuel pump
5. Two new fuel filters
6. New fuel lines
7. New primer bulb and fuel hose with mercury fittings
8. Lower unit replaced with brand new impeller
9. New Rectifier
10. New starter motor
11. Replaced solenoid
12. Replaced coils and put new plugs in

*note - everything that was replaced came off my 1980 merc 402 parts motor, but all parts that were used had matching part numbers

So, after all that work was done, I got the motor to run, shift gears, and turn off multiple times without problem. However, I was having problems with the throttle control linkage getting stuck and the RPM's would stay high even though the motor was back in neutral. I pulled the linkage apart and lubed the return spring in the linkage. Today, I was running the motor but was having trouble with it dying on me due to what seemed like a lack of fuel. Also, the carb would flood and leak fuel when I primed the bulb. This seemed like a good excuse to clean the carb. So i pulled the carb and took the bowl apart, to find a large amount of gunk and build up in the bottom of the bowl. I cleaned the float and bowl thoroughly and then pulled the optimizer tube off (little piece of hose that runs from the bowl to the other side of the carb body). This is when it got weird. I pulled the hose off and tried to blow through it. No air would pass. So, I stuck a small screwdriver through the hose, and forced 2 copper coated BB's out of the hose. I called the Mercury dealer here and they said the hose should be empty, as it was supposed to regulate pressure between the bowl and the carb body. So I forced the BB's out and put the hose back on. I cleaned the rest of the carb body out and put it back on, and attached the fuel lines. Note, the carb did stop flooding and leaking fuel when I reattached it, UNLESS I primed the bulb too much. Then I put everything back together and tried to start the motor. It would start most of the time but was finicky with the choke and kept acting like it was starved for fuel. It would increase and decrease in idle RPM's, and had a mind of its own. I pulled the plugs to discover a thick black residue on them. I think this was due to the carb flooding and feeding too much fuel into the engine. So I cleaned the plugs and ran the motor a few more times and pulled the plugs after each run and they were clean with maybe a little fuel on them. My motor is still not running right and it is acting starved and running rough. I have not cleaned the jets yet but I don't want to if they don't need cleaning, and I am also nervous to remove them because I have never done so. The mixture screw on the carb is set at an approximate factory setting where you tighten the screw to a slightly snug seat and then back it off 1 1/4 turns, and I only did this because it is what I read on this site. I am not sure what exactly is wrong, but I think it must be carb related, and fuel related. I apologize for the long explanation, but I want the best possible response so I figured anyone helping should know the whole story. Any help is greatly appreciated. I will try to answer any questions to the best of my ability.
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

Anyone? I know this is a long post but I need some help!
 
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Maxz695

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I have a 1979 40 HP known as the 403 a year ealier than mine. First rebuild the fuel pump kits are cheeap. I payed 5 dollars at the merc dealer for the gaskets and the diaphram. Second you more than likely put the float to needle pin armes on backwards the small arm goes up first then the long arm second I seen this in 2 carbs. My original I rebuilt as well as a used one I bought someone eles messed with. The longer arm gives leverage to the smaller arm and creates enough pressure to close the needle to the seat to stop the flow when the floatbowl is full not allowing any more gas in to flood the carb. The bulb should get stiff when it is full. at that point it should not leak gas out of the overflow on the carb unless extreem pressure is put to the bulb this should solve your problem Good Luck
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

I will definitely check that. Should I clean the jets as well? Especially after finding all that residue in the bowl?
 
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Maxz695

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yes get a can of carb spay and blow them out good. It might be a good idea to get a carb kit and replace all the jets,needle valve and seat, air mixture scews, and gaskets. they all come with the complete kit.
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

okay I will look into that. thanks for the info.
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

Okay, here is a picture of my carb bowl top with the float to needle pin arms. Are they backwards, or on correct?



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Maxz695

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

the long shaft is bent unbend it it should be atraight where the needle pin is i,ll send a pic from my spare carb soon
 
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Maxz695

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View attachment 93249View attachment 93248View attachment 93247 Don,t pay attention to the short shaft i have pictured it came wit a rebuild kit and doesn,t seem right. I have the same short shaft as you have pictured on the carb on my engine. Unbend the long shaft with the hump with needle nose pliers then check to see the top short shaft is level when the needle valve is closed also check the float to see if the spring is on it. The pin is wrong too in my picture it was in the used carb i bought used for parts thats why it doesn,t look level. if the lever is not level when pushed up to close the needle valve remove the pin and turn the lever over (Short one) I believe it,s upside down This should get you where your supposed to be at. Now test by blowing into the fuel port air should flow right side up . when turned over there should be no air flow whatsoever
 

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

If your carb is this type which I think it is then you should check the filters
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Here is the lever setup procedure
 

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Maxz695

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

ty for the tip i never checked that out
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

Just got everything back together, but don't want to **** off the neighbors, so I'm going to wait until tomorrow to try it all out. Will report back with results.
 
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Maxz695

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message me so I can find the post easier I have alot to do and ebay to get to as well Hope all is well don,t get discouraged I,l try to help best I can have a great night
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

Not going to get a chance to work on the motor today. It is pouring rain for the first time in months down here. Bad weather but we need it.
 

MacDaddy21

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Re: 1979 402 40hp not cooperating...again

I actually did get it all rewired and put back together and it runs like a top. Quite a rewarding feeling.
 
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