1976 70 HP Johnson momentary loss of power

eavega

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Hello folks

So I FINALLY went out on a FISHING trip on my boat yesterday. No tests to run on the motor, no trying out a new prop or trim setting. Just fishing. Didn't catch a thing, but I still had a great time with my two buddies.

The motor ran very nicely for the most part. total of 20 miles by my GPS, including a full 10 min WOT run from the last fishing spot to the ramp, and I still seem to have about 2.5 gallons of fuel in my 6-gallon tank.

Now for the problem; the motor ran great at idle, and at a slow half-throttle at about 3K RPM. At full throttle, a couple of times it seemed that just for a moment it wanted to throttle down on its own. I heard it, but my two fishing buddies didn't even notice. The Tach didn't even register a significant change in RPMs, but I definitely heard the engine wind down for a second. The problem occurred at WOT as we were crossing some choppy-ish water (might have been another boat's wake). I'm looking for some root cause for this and wanted to get some ideas. My first suspicion is there is air getting into my fuel line somewhere, which caused a momentary fuel starvation and thus a hiccup in the engine speed. I am led to this diagnosis as I think through the entire trip, and remember that after our first or second start, the engine didn't start with a quick key bump, as it had first thing in the morning, and for the rest of the trip. When I had the problem starting it up, I ran through a cold start procedure, and THEN is started up. Part of the cold start is to prime the motor to fill the carbs, so in RETROSPECT I am thinking that the motor had lost its prime somewhere, which again would indicate air getting into the system either from the priming bulb or perhaps from the fuel pump. The fuel line and priming bulb are brand new. When I got the motor, I did not replace the fuel lines, but I did note that they had been replaced in the recent past with ethanol-resistant lines. I didn't notice any evidence of a fuel leak, but if there is a very small leak under the cowling somewhere, I may not see it as the fuel may evaporate before I get a chance to inspect.

Other things I can think of is that there is a loose wire or component somewhere that momentarily grounded out going over rough water, but I don't know if that would explain the hard starting incident. I'm not even sure that the hard starting incident was related to the momentary loss of power, but I since it is the only issue the motor is exhibiting, I am working on the assumption that they are related.

Any other thoughts? Any suggestions as to what would be a good test to try and prove or disprove my theory? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Rgds
 

mrcj001

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Re: 1976 70 HP Johnson momentary loss of power

At WOT and if it was just a split second "hiccup" thats a ignition issue....

Have you changed the power pack on that `ol looper??

Mine did the same thing last summer...it would "hiccup" and eventualy die. After a while it would start up and run for a bit after it cooled down.

OMC has the pack bolted to the engine block which gets hot and reduces the life of the power pack. If the pack is original, I would replace it.
 

eavega

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Re: 1976 70 HP Johnson momentary loss of power

At WOT and if it was just a split second "hiccup" thats a ignition issue....

Have you changed the power pack on that `ol looper??

Mine did the same thing last summer...it would "hiccup" and eventualy die. After a while it would start up and run for a bit after it cooled down.

OMC has the pack bolted to the engine block which gets hot and reduces the life of the power pack. If the pack is original, I would replace it.

I have not personally replaced the power pack, but it does look like it has been replaced in the recent past. The gent I bought the motor from hadn't replaced the power pack either, but he did have the motor checked out by his marine mechanic (who cleaned and rebuilt the carburetors and did the link-n-synch). The previous owner of the motor never intended to run it, but rather to sell it; he bought it as part of a fixer-upper boat from which he wanted the trailer. He does own other boats, though, so he was fairly confident of his mechanic's abilities.

I considered the power pack and heating up issue (I remember reading through your thread at some point, or a thread that you responded to where you mentioned the hot motor causing a fault with the power pack). It doesn't seem to apply in my case because

1. its not happening all the time, only the couple of times I hit some rougher water, and only for a split second. I had several WOT runs varying from a couple of minutes to the long one of 10 minutes, in either case plenty of time for the power head to get up to its highest operating temps. The only real co-related occurrence was the rough chop/bouncing around. If it were an electrical issue I would think it more likely something may have come loose and is grounding when it bounces. Note that not even this behavior was consistent, it only did it twice, and I am sure we crossed more than two wakes on the lake yesterday.

2. It never died out. It barely even slowed down. It felt a lot more like a loss of fuel situation than a spark issue. If it were a heat expansion causing a fault, I would look for something that was only happening when the engine was running balls-to-the-wall and correcting itself when the engine cooled down. I would also think i could run it on muffs or in a barrel for some time and replicate the behavior. I ran it yesterday for 10 minutes in my driveway (at under 2K RPMs to be sure) and the motor didn't hiccup, sneeze, or seem to miss at all.

Rgds
 

eavega

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Re: 1976 70 HP Johnson momentary loss of power

Just to continue this thread for anyone that may have a similar problem in the future...

I started futzing with the motor in a barrel to see if I could reproduce the hesitation, and what I found was that the fuel pump was indeed leaking from the filter cover gasket. I hadn't noticed it before when I ran the motor with the hood off, and this last trip I never took the hood off once. Now in the back yard as I was priming the motor, I noticed fuel squirting out from under the plastic cover at the top of the fuel pump. I tried to tighten it, but it still would leak a bit. After jiggling it around some I got the leaking to stop, but I suspect that a good bounce would be enough to cause it to move out of position and start leaking again. I've ordered a rebuild kit for the fuel pump since that is the least expensive option and the only thing I can find obviously wrong. I'll start there and move on to the power pack if it does not resolve the situation.

Rgds
 
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