1975 Johnson 25 hp surging

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Re: 1975 Johnson 25 hp surging

Yes you will need to bring it to a prop shop, or if the props blades are getting on in age or are also damaged, might be wise to just invest in a new prop.
 

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Yes you will need to bring it to a prop shop, or if the props blades are getting on in age or are also damaged, might be wise to just invest in a new prop.

Ok, gotcha. To me the prop is a little dirty and old looking but no nicks, not bent or anything like that. What can I expect them to charge to rehub it? I noticed there are 3 different props listed for my motor on marine engine for sale. They range from between $100 and $150. What is the difference in these props? All are OMC parts.

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...=25R75B&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Gearcase item #3
 

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It has been a couple years since I have had one re hubbed, but if memory serves it was in the $50 to $75 range, about half. Might be cheaper, not sure, best way to find out would be to call a local shop.
 

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It has been a couple years since I have had one re hubbed, but if memory serves it was in the $50 to $75 range, about half. Might be cheaper, not sure, best way to find out would be to call a local shop.

Yeah, I will give them a call. If it is $75 and I can get a new prop for $100, I may just opt for the new prop. Just not sure what the difference is between the $100 prop and the $150. If I need the one that is $150 then $75 doesn't sound too bad.
 

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I am changing out my thermostat today. The old one was failed open. I found this rubber plug (see pic) in the hole that was just beneath it. It was not in one of the bolt holes, there are 3 of those. it does not say anything about it in the service manual and does not show it in the parts list. Is this supposed to be here? what is the purpose?14jan12.jpg
 

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looks like a portion of disintegrated w/p impeller to me...I have a 71' 25 hp. and nothing like that in the thermostat area
 

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Hello again Jon. Uhh..there's your problem. That piece of rubber should definitely NOT be there. All passages to and from the t-stat housing should be clear and allow water to pass through with ease. You can check them by pouring some water into the t-stat housing with the t-stat removed. You should see water drain out of the exhaust port of the engine. If not, then the passages may be clogged with debris, silt and/or salt deposits. The real question is where the rubber came from in the first place. It could be a few things. Impellers can/do break down and get sucked up the copper tube into the power head, it may also be a piece of the grommet that either end of the copper tube seats into. There's one on top of the impeller housing and one on the underside of the power head, either of which can break down and get sucked up. It may also just be a piece of the old t-stat gasket. In any event, inspect the aforementioned grommets and replace any that are damaged. You can test the rest of your water passages, but dropping the LU and holding a garden hose on the end of the copper water uptake tube. You should again see water come out of the main exhaust port and/or the t-stat housing, if the cover is off. Give these tricks a try and let us know what you find.
 

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Thanks for the comments. I added another picture. This "plug" looks like something that was manufactured, not a piece of melted rubber or something that was sucked up into that postion. If you look at this pic you can see a taper at the bottom and a well defined ring around the top. It is also very flat on the bottom. (the scatches in the top are from me trying to pry it out) The tube which I pulled it from is not shaped this way. It is the same diameter all the way down until it gets to the bottom and then the tube appears to make a 90 degree turn and looks to be a smaller diameter. This "plug" reached about halfway down the vertical tube. Do you think someone put this in there to change the performace in some way?

p.s. I also changed out the impeller a while back and it was in one piece. And the gromet on top of the water pump impeller housing was there and in one piece also. Didnt check the one at the power head.

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Re: 1975 Johnson 25 hp surging

what tube in the thermostat area did it come from?...
 

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what tube in the thermostat area did it come from?...

if you look at the first picture, it came from the tube that is directly below it. It sits off to the side of where the thermostat is inserted. It appeared to have been pushed down in there from the top but hard to tell. It posssible could have been sucked up there, but it just happens to be the exact diameter of that tube / "port"? (except for the taper)
 

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You can check them by pouring some water into the t-stat housing with the t-stat removed. You should see water drain out of the exhaust port of the engine.

Just tried this and water came out of the exhaust port immediately.
 

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I posted this in another forum and got this answer:

"Looks like some sort of water by pass restrictor ? I believe its when your thermostat is closed it permits water to flow for the tell tale ?"

Any ideas?
 

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does your motor have a tell tale?..that plug makes no sense to me....do you have access to a water flow chart for your engine?
 

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does your motor have a tell tale?..that plug makes no sense to me....do you have access to a water flow chart for your engine?

My motor does have a tell tale. Or at least it has in the past, ha ha. I will see if the service manual has anything like that.
 

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Here is the diagram. I was planning on taking it out this afternoon and running it. I would like to leave that plug out and try it, only thing that worries me is that someone figured out something particular to this motor and did that to make an adjustment to it.

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If I am looking at that right, that plug is shutting off the bypass valve and forcing all the water through the thermostat?
 

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I think you're right jon. In any event it should not be there. For some reason people do all kinds of weird things regarding the t-stats in these old motors in an attempt to "improve upon" the original design. They are perfectly well designed as is, and work great when used properly. I would get rid of any remaining plug/debris. Give the water passages another round of flushing, install a new, fresh t-stat, and hit the water.
 

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Thanks! I took the "plug" out and I replaced the failed thermostat. I also replaced the J4C plugs with J6C. It ran better than it has since I have been working on it. It ran really well at WOT for about 10 minutes and then the revving" or slipping started again. Before I left I put a mark on the hub and one on the prop. they "lined up" before I left, as you can see in the pic they don't now. I assume after the prop heats up the hub is contracting and allowing it to "spin"?

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After looking at this thing under the light, looks I like I should just replace the prop. it has some nicks in it.
 

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Sorry, that was difficult to see. In this you can see where the two lines I drew were.
 

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yup. classic spun hub. no big deal. any prop shop should be able to fix it for about $30-$40, but you might be able to get a replacement prop for just as much, or less, if you can find a donor. I'm actually looking for a back up prop for my '66 20 hp. I've found them online, but I'm cheap and holding out for a cheaper/free one. At least the motor is running nice and strong again, now just got work out a few more bugs. Thankfully, putting on a new prop only takes about 30 sec., so it's one of the easiest jobs there is and can/will make a world of difference. Congrats on getting it running again. Keep us posted on the prop situation.



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