1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

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I am at my wits end. I have tested the ignition box, the coil will spark all day long if you jump the white and brown contacts and tap the black contact to ground. So the no spark issue should be the distributor, right? Well I just payed $200 for another distributor, and that made no change at all. There are no kill switches, or mercury switches. I just can not get spark. Anyone have an idea that I can try?
 

Chris1956

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

What you have hastily described is distributor trigger failure. Not sure what to suggest.
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

Did you test for spark from the coil itself (rather than dist cap) when cranking the motor with the new distributor installed?
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

i responded to your other post about this, Trust me I went through the same thing as you:
I bought a 1974 merc 850 on craigslist for $350, the only thing I tested was compression, and it was 120 on all four cylinders. When I got it home I went through the same thing as you where all the tests were good but motor wouldn't run. I finally caved in and took it to a "pro." I told him what I paid, and that I would not spend a bunch to fix it but I would happily spend 100 dollars to know the problem. He said, Ill tell you the problem for free and fix it for $150. The problem, WIRING, WIRING, WIRING. He said I bet you all your electronics are great and you prolly just need new wiring. Then he said something like those MERC guys in the 1970s had rocket scientists building their blocks and drunken blind monkeys doing the wiring, after they went and found the ****tiest insulated wire on planet earth. The insulation cracks and creates shorts that arc sometimes, and sometimes not. He said it is impossible to trace the single short because there are prolly 20 of them, but in his 300 years of experience he has re-wired 4-5 million 1970s mercs and can do it in a couple of hours now he has done so many. He was exaggerating about the experience thing Im sure, but when he said "when I am done, Ill never see you again," he was being serious. That was several years ago and he was right. Take the time and REWIRE EVERYTHING. Ended up costing me $225 for the pro to do it, but it was worth it.
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

Sorry for being abrupt earlier. The internal wiring harness has been replaced at some point, it is very nice. The external, well that's another story. I rewired it from a good starting point. I can't help but think there is something simple I am overlooking. The coil does not fire when the unit is cranked over. I replaced the distributor and nothing changed. I have tested the ignition box, it sparks fine when using the CDI trouble shooting technique. So now I wonder , is this bad distributor # 2?
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

Could be bad dist cap or rotor. Test spark from coil tower, while spinning distributor pulley by hand, ign on. If no spark, it sounds like bad trigger.
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

Dude, trust me, its the wiring. I know I only have like three posts because I joined this forum a week ago to ask a question about my fishing boat, but I have been running my merc for 5 years now. Nothin but a month of trouble before I went to the Pro, nothin but reliability since wiring was replaced. You canot see the cracks, but 1 tiny crack can arc to the block and WILL NOT RUN. move the wires a quarter inch over, RUNS JUST FINE. Open your switchbox, replace those too. My wiring harness looked good, but peeling the tape off revealed otherwise. You DID NOT GET TWO BAD DISTRIBUTORS IN A ROW, you have a wiring ISSUE!
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

The internal Harness on my motor looks brand new, there is no tape. The boat side was crumbling, but I rewired that.One thing I did notice was the rectifier was jumped from the positive side of the starter solenoid, not the red contact on the switch box. Should that matter? When your wiring was bad, were you able to test the switch box and have the coil fire? Mine does.Which is what leads me to think this is bad trigger # 2. that I can't return, so I am out $200.00 .
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

The + post on the rectifier can be jumpered to the battery cable at the solenoid. That is not standard, but acceptable. If you bought a used distributor, and the trigger is bad, maybe the seller will give you another one. The salvage yard near me does that as a matter of good business.
 

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Re: 1972 800 thunderbolt ignition problems

I am going to take the distributor back to them and see what they say. I bought it on the 28th so it will have been 1 week. I hope they are willing to exchange it or at the very least test it and show me that it works.
 
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