1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

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Re: 1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

Carburetor could be flooding !----Revisit carburetor cleaning !---------Fuel pump could have a ruptured diaphragm , also very easy to check and a new diaphragm is available for just pennies.
 

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Yes there is one adjustable carb screw and it's a knob that says lean on the left side and rich on te other I've been messing with it while it running no changes tho and how woul I check for a busted diaphragm is that when you suck and blow in the fuel pump cause I sucking in the hose that attaches to the carb from the pump an I can't blow in it but I can suck but shouldn't it be able to suck since it's sucking gas into the bowl on the carb and idk if it flooding id hope not since I rebuilt the carb three times in one week am replaced the float and all little screws
 

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Also before I forget could it have something to do with the timing is not advancing or something like the armature or something my dad say it was once bad on his and the shop changed it and he took off again I just didn't no if it's the same on these little motor cause he had a 115 merc
 

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I wonder if the guy did something to the high speed jet, like "clean" it with a drill or wire or something? Or put the wrong one in? Sure sounds like it is running rich but of course it leans out as it runs out of gas.

OR left the main nozzle gasket out or tried to re-use a squashed one??
 
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check compression.
dont worry about timing yet if its idling and the plate advances
 

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Got two posts going? Take it back to tech. Sounds like float adjustment. How does it sound or react when you apply throttle?
 

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Yea I didn't no if it's a fuel pump problem cause I read some stuff on another thread and it said sometimes a fuel pump and be weak and not supply enough gas to go fast but idk I took it to the shop last week and told him to get it running he did a carb rebuild I seen all the old stuff on his table so I no he replace all gaskets float and the float spring and stuff like that it's running great but when I apply throttle at first it sounds like it wants to take off but them just goes back to about 1k rpm and stays there then if I unplug gas before it runs out it takes off but once gas is back it acts the same i ran some seafoam through it last week also no change I ran 2 gallons of fresh gas no difference could it be points maybe or should I wait before I do that
 

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Re: 1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

How would I no if the plate is advancing just to make sure
 

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watch to see if it opens the throttle plate to a horizontal position when you twist the grip to "fast". also have a look to see if the choke plate is fully horizontal when the knob is pushed in.
 

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Testing is the path forward !-------Remove fuel pump.-----Then install 2 temporary bolts into the mounting screw holes with nuts on them to hold to pump together.-----Now squeeze the primer bulb and see what happens, any fuel leaking ?--------Have you tried adjusting the low speed needle out half turn to see if it will accellerate properly ?
 

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is butterfly in carb throat opening fully.
 

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Yes everything's opening all the way I have to test the fuel pump by taking it off still I'll have to do it tomorrow and see if it leaks if it does that means bad pump right??
 

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Re: 1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

leaking out the pulse hole means bad diaphragm which is an easy and cheap repair.
 

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If that's wats wrong could that cause my engine to lose power cause I mean the fuel pumps pumping because the engine stays running for as long as I want it to
 

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hi fl have you looked in throat of carb verify butterfly is opening fully. just a thought. good luck:joyous:
 

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Re: 1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

I had a similar problem it turned out the throttle cam had split, it took me two days to find it, it would start, tick over lovely but as soon as I give it some throttle it was spluttering ect.
 

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That motor should have points .I wounder if they could be floating at highter speeds due to age
 

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That's wat I was leaning towards and I also heard it might have been the reeds either way I don't got to deal with it any more I ended up trading for a 4 hp mercury I rebuilt the carb and fixed the float and it's running like a champ but thanks all you guys for your help time to fish now to bad it's winter
 

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Re: 1970 johnson 6hp seahorse

old ground, maybe -- may have resolved the issue. In case not, though, I think I would spend some time with the idle adjustment. You said you turn the needle but there is no effect on operation. It may be that you are not turning the needle. If the knob is spinning on the needle stem, you need to tighten it. You may want to remove the knob altogether and turn the needle either by hand, or with a pliers if it's too tight in the packing. It's brass, so be careful. Turning it clockwise with the motor running at idle should increase rpms (leans mix). Adjustment is sensitive (which is why your statement of no effect is curious), so turn it clockwise about 1/8 turn at a time, waiting for the motor to catch up. If the motor coughs or stalls, it's too lean and you need to turn the needle counter clockwise slightly. But the needle adjustment will definitely have an effect if things are operating properly. As the rpms increase, throttle the engine down, and keep up the process until the motor can be throttled down to a very low idle without stalling. Next, put the motor in gear and throttle it up. Throttle-up should not cause the motor to stall. If it stalls, the idle adjustment needs to be a little richer. If the motor is operating properly, you should be able to throttle it up to the rpms you are after with the motor in gear. As you probably know, the throttle is prevented from operating fully when the motor is in neutral. You should be doing this with the motor in a test tank of some kind, and should take care not to over rev.

Another option is to fully seat the needle, then reopen about a turn counterclockwise, start the motor and begin the carb adjustment from that point.
 
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