1967 Evinrude 18hp Fastwin with 25hp Carb: Trouble starting, staying running

Toddp01

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For two years I've owned a 1967 rope-start Evinrude 18hp with a carb from a 25. I bought it from a part-time mechanic who claimed that made it a 25hp. I've since learned--through this forum--that installing a 25 carb on an 18 does NOT make it a 25.
In any event, the motor ran fine when I bought it in late 2021. Last year (2022) I only used it a couple of times. This year (2023) has been a different story. The first time I took it to a local lake, it wouldn't start. I figured my fuel had gone bad over the winter. I drained the tank and made a gallon of fresh fuel (50:1 no-ethanol gas and TW-C3 Lucas oil), plus half a bottle of Sea Foam. Took it to the lake again. This time it started but wouldn't idle; it just kept dying. I finally got away from the ramp by putting it in forward gear, then starting it and immediately taking off. I got out to the middle of the lake at WOT when it suddenly died and wouldn't start again. I had to row back to the ramp.

Understand that I have little mechanical experience and low mechanical aptitude. I limp along with the help of forums like this, and YouTube. My son-in-law is the opposite. He suggested I rebuild the carb. I had never rebuilt a carb but bought a kit and did it, following instructions from Max Wawrzyniak <https://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/columns/max/index10.htm> and a couple of YouTube videos. The carb seemed very clean and had a plastic float. But it did have a tiny scrap of paper towel or rag in the inlet to the bowl. I put in the kit parts, re-installed the carb, and adjusted the low-speed needle per instructions, running the motor at home with a garden hose and flush plate adapter.

I took it to the lake again. It started and idled okay. Took a few pulls at first to start, then idled a little rough. I tried to fine-tune the low-speed needle but never got it as smooth as I wanted. In any event, it ran fine at different speeds and started a half a dozen times without difficulty.

A week later I took it to the lake again. This time it was very difficult to start and idled poorly. I was on a no-wake lake so couldn't run it more than about 1/3 throttle. I took it home and installed the flush plate so I could test it in my driveway. It was again very difficult to start and now wouldn't run for more than a few seconds without dying, despite trying different low-speed needle settings.

I read over threads on this forum about diagnosing hard-to-start and poor-running motors like mine. Yesterday I bought an adjustable spark tester and borrowed a compression tester from an auto-parts store. The spark jumped more than a 1/4" gap although it looked white, not blue. The spark plugs are NGK B6S, which are supposed to be equivalent to a Champion J6C. Both the center and ground electrodes look wet and black. Since the engine won't run, I couldn't warm it up before doing a compression test, but the engine was sitting outside on a 90-degree day. I got 60 psi both cylinders. I've read on this forum that 90 lbs is a minimum for good compression. So 60 sounds bad. Is it? If so, why was the engine running fine just a couple of weeks ago? Any other suggestions?
 

racerone

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Sometimes people do not heed simple inspection advice.------Remove cover on top of cylinder head.----Test thermostat.----I often see them stuck open or missing.----Remove bypass covers ( 4 screws each ) on the side of the block and look at pistons and rings.----Compression should be well over 100 PSI.----Could be a bad head gasket.----The cooling system does not warn you or stop the motor in event of an overheat condition.-----Many folks are not aware that this 18 HP needs a new impeller every 7/ 8 years.
 

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Thank you for the info, racerone. I will implement it to the best of my ability. I understand your frustration about people not heeding advice, because I've noticed that you and others provide helpful advice to a huge number of people in these forums. I truly did try to heed the inspection advice I found on previous threads about start or idle troubles before I posted my own problems. I'd not seen the advice to remove covers on cylinder heads or remove bypass covers. I don't know how to test a thermostat but will now turn to this forum, the Internet, and YouTube to figure it out. Same for looking at the pistons and rings, since I don't know what to look for. Same for the head gasket. I'd seen the advice on the impeller, but replacing it looked difficult. At least I can say that I've put my hand in the cooling water coming out of the lower unit many times over the past couple of weeks and it's never been too hot to keep my hand in it. Again, I appreciate your advice.
 

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I used to do all this work at an authorized Johnson dealer in the late 1960's-----As a teenager.-----All the customers were older than me.----Now people asking for help are almost always younger.-----And there is a marked difference I say.----Replacing an impeller is simple.----If I could do it as a teenager , you can do it !!
 

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Times are different Racer.
Most people don’t try to fix their things any more. They just pay someone to do it or toss it out a buy a new one. The OP seems to be interested in learning and that’s makes me happy. I had a guy call me the other day about a blocked toilet and he told me he tried to plunge it but had no luck. I arrived with a snake ready to go and then he showed me his plunger which was a toilet brush and I had a feeling this was going to be an easy job. A couple of jabs with an actual plunger and all was well. Moral of the story is some are just clueless these days.
 

flyingscott

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A 25 hp carb on an 18 hp motor does not make that motor a 25 hp. There are internal differences in the block.
 

oldboat1

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I would try to find an 18hp carb. A '67 sister motor with a damaged lower unit, for example. Plan on adding a carb kit and thorough soaking and cleaning.
 

Toddp01

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I'm reporting back after following the advice I was given by members of this forum. Thanks very much for your help.

flyingscott, I agree that the 25 carb didn't make this 18hp a 25hp. But I learned that--by reading discussions on this forum--a year after I bought the motor.

oldboat1, I agree this engine should have the correct carb. Last week I found and purchased an Evinrude 1967 18hp carb on eBay that is slated to arrive this coming week. I will clean and rebuild it with a carb kit.

I followed racerone's advice and removed the cylinder head and bypass covers to look at the cylinder head, head gasket, thermostat, pistons, and rings. There was no thermostat. As I mentioned previously, I have no experience looking at these parts for problems. I’ve included photos with this post and would appreciate observations and advice on the conditions of the cylinder walls and rings.

Yes, the upper piston has a mark from my choosing the too-long fitting for the compression tester’s hose. One pull of the rope and I knew something was wrong. I was following a video that didn’t cover that. I read the instructions more carefully and realized what I’d done. Sometimes you learn the hard way.

I checked the cylinder head surface for flatness and found a couple of spots with a gap between 0.002 and 0.0025 inches. So I resurfaced it with 400-grit sandpaper, water, and glass plate. Did the same with the thermostat cover and bypass covers. I’ve also ordered new gaskets for the head, thermostat, and bypass covers along with a new thermostat.

I also checked the flatness of the block side of the head gasket and find a couple of spots with a gap between 0.003 and 0.004 inches.

Two questions:
1) Do I need to sand the block surfaces? If so, how?

2) Do I use gasket sealer on the gaskets for the thermostat and bypass covers? (I know not to use it for the head gasket.)

Thank you for your help.
Todd
 

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racerone

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Some will argue.----I would not hesitate to take that motor apart.----It needs work.-----Perhaps a doner motor with a good block and pistons.
 

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Can you be specific, racerone, so I can learn from what you're seeing? What looks worn or damaged (cylinder walls, rings, piston crowns, piston skirts)? What photo(s) show the wear or damage? Thanks.
 

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I see scoring of piston / rings.-----And that is on the cool " intake " side of the piston.-----It has been clearly stated that compression of 60 PSI is low.-----Likely not what you hoped / wanted to hear.----But it is what you need.-----Time to take this motor apart !!
 
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