1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

homelessduck

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I have a 1966 Johnson v4 100hp outboard with the electric shift .. It doesn't have power out of the pulse pack while Cranking , thus no spark . It does have 12v TO the pulse pack . The weird part is that it does not engage the starter when you pull the lever on the shift box to the START position , but it will turn over if you don't put the lever to START. The lever seems to rotate the dist.. ( advancing it I'm assuming ) .. I'm sure there is a neutral safety switch in the shift box , maybe it has failed ? Does the lever have to be in the start position to allow power from the pulse pack to the coil ?

I know there is a TON of things that could be causing this , but this is my first boat so I am in the process of learning .

Any help is greatly appreciated .
 

homelessduck

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

The engine is a 1967 , sorry ..

Just to clarify.. The shift box has forward/neutral/reverse , and at the back of the box it has a small red lever with an arrow pointing back and says START . If I pull the small lever back ( to the START position ) nothing happens when I turn the key .. as if there is no power . If I leave the lever up the boat will crank over but won't start .
 

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

Sorry for all of the posts , I cannot edit my posting from my phone for some reason ..

I just wanted to add that the engine has 90# of compression in each cylinder . Also , I read the pulse pack requires a signal from a sensor in the distributor for spark ... maybe this is my issue ? As I said , I have power to the pulse pack but no power to the coil . I hooked a test light to the power side of the coil , grounded the other side .. the bulb didn't light up at all ( I did this at night so I would have noticed a glow )
 

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

As a guess I would say the pack is bad. But you should check it out further. Wireing and ect.
 

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

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Battery CD Ignitions with Points


Clean all battery connections and engine grounds.
Connect a spark gap tester to the high tension lead coming from the ignition coil and set it to approximately ?". When you crank the engine over, if it fires while the spark gap tester is connected to the coil and does not fire through the spark plug wires - there is a problem in the distributor cap, rotor button or spark plug wires.

Check voltage present on the purple wire at cranking. It MUST be at least 9? volts. If not, there is a problem in the harness, key switch, starter or battery.

Check DVA voltage on the blue wire going to the coil, it should be approximately 200 volts at cranking.

Disconnect the white/black points wire. Turn the ignition switch on and strike the white/black points wire against engine ground. The unit should fire each time. If it does, this means the CD module is usually good and the points, points plate and grounding wire for the points plate need to be checked.

Connect a spark gap tester to the high-tension leads coming from the distributor cap and set the gap to approximately 7/16". Align the rotor with #1 spark plug wire. Turn the ignition switch on and strike the white/black points wire against engine ground. Only the #1 spark plug wire should fire. If another spark plug wire fires, there is a problem in the distributor cap. Repeat the test for the other cylinders.

Check the battery voltage at approximately 3500-RPM, MAXIMUM allowable reading is 16 volts. Over 16 volts will damage the ignition. Check for loose connections or a bad battery. Maintenance free batteries are NOT recommended for this application.


Johnson/Evirude
Prestolite Battery Ignitions with Pickup Sensors

Clean all battery connections and engine grounds.
Connect a spark gap tester to the high tension lead coming from the ignition coil and set it to approximately ?". When you crank the engine over, if it fires while the spark gap tester is connected to the coil and does not fire through the spark plug wires - there is a problem in the distributor cap, rotor button or spark plug wires.
Check voltage present on the purple wire at cranking. It MUST be at least 9? volts. If not, there is a problem in the harness, key switch, starter or battery.
Check DVA voltage on the blue wire going to the coil, it should be approximately 200 volts at cranking.
Disconnect the black/white sensor wires. Turn the ignition switch on and strike the black/white wires together. The unit should fire each time. If it does, this means the CD module is usually good and the sensor needs to be checked.
Make sure the triggering ring is the correct one for the type ignition being used. Phase II ignitions require the sensor with wide gaps between the lobes.
Reset the sensor air gap to 0.020 in. If this allows the pack to fire, leave it set and let it go.
Connect a spark gap tester to the high-tension leads coming from the distributor cap and set the gap to approximately 7/16". Align the rotor with #1 spark plug wire. Turn the ignition switch on and strike the black/white and white/black wires together. Only the #1 spark plug wire should fire. If another spark plug wire fires, there is a problem in the distributor cap. Repeat the test for the other cylinders.
Check the battery voltage at approximately 3500-RPM, MAXIMUM allowable reading is 16 volts. Over 16 volts will damage the ignition. Check for loose connections or a bad battery. Maintenance free batteries are NOT recommended for this application.
 

homelessduck

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

Wow , so much information ! Thanks !

I barely made it down your troubleshooting list and already see an issue . You said the purple wire MUST have at least 9 1/2 voltage while Cranking .. Is that the VERY least ? I have 9.2-9.3 volts while Cranking .

HOPEFULLY this is my problem !!
 

homelessduck

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

Also , what do you guys think about the shifter issue? Do you think it could be related ?

Is there an alternative to replacing the pulse pack ? Can I convert to something else ;msd maybe?

Another thing .. It has an amp gauge with two wires on the back . One has positive 12v but the other one is grounded (???) . I had to disconnect them because it would pin the gauge and the wires would get hot . My thought was that someone had switched out a volt gauge for an amp gauge not realizing that they are wired differently .. but.maybe it has something to do with the spark issue (?) .
 

homelessduck

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Re: 1966 Johnson V4 100hp No Spark

Ok , I think I figured out the msd wiring ..

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My engine has a magnetic pickup so it should be super easy .. I'm confused about the spark plugs , do I need new ones ?
 
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