15hp Mercury only will start if a spark plug is pulled

twerner

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2003 electric start last week worked fine went to start other day and just cranks but won't start , checked for fuel that's good , checked all grounds and wiring all looks good pulled top plug to check for spark and motor started with one plug out reinstalled and won't start pulled bottom plug and cranked and starts right away need some help
 

Texasmark

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Pull the cap off one plug with the plug installed and distance the cap from any metal. Will it start?
 

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Try an in-line spark tester with fresh plugs installed ...what happens?
 

twerner

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Didn't do compression test yet but did the spark tester and it just cranks over won't fire
 

Texasmark

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I never encountered this before......with compression on both cylinders the engine won't fire, but remove compression from one and it will.

Okaye......with one plug removed, cap in place, wrap a piece of wire around the threads of the plug and connect that wire to battery - at the engine block or wherever you can find a non painted surface.

What happens then. If it won't fire we are chasing spark. If it does, we are after something else that has to do with compression......course plugs fire better at low pressure than high so that could still be spark related and time for a manual to make some resistance readings on the stator and other electrical components associated with firing the plug.
 

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I have bad feeling, that both of your plugs are firing at the same time.
 

Texasmark

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Considering that you have one magnet on the flywheel and 2 pickup coils 180 degrees apart for an alternate firing twin, only way that would happen would be the wires are shorting together somewhere. Being a 4 stroker you only need to fire one per rev but since the triggers in the stators are arranged as they are, one of your cylinders is exhausting when it gets hit while the other is on the compression stroke and goes bang. Next alternation the cylinders reverse. Did you do the last test I asked you to do?
 

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Hey Guys,
Mercury four strokes uses a lost spark system that fires both plugs at the same time. You have a weak component in your system so that the load of the second plug kills all of your spark. I would start with the coil but it could be anything. I would bet the same would happen if you pulled #2. I replaced the coil on my 05 15 last season due to intermittent spark on one cylinder. The coil has two independent secondary's.
 

twerner

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Texasmark I did pull the one plug and went to ground with it and motor did start put plug back in and just cranks again , star should I just replace ignition coil and you no rough price not that it really matters at this point thanks
 

Texasmark

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Having compression cause spark loss is a mystery as to the mechanism. So moving from compression caused by a mechanical problem let's move on to an electrical problem. I don't know what kind of load a spark plug firing under compression vs ambient air has on the "impedance" the plug offers to the ignition system. I know plugs are harder to fire meaning that it takes more spark voltage amplitude to jump the same gap as compared to ambient.

With both plugs under pressure, as Star suggested, you are loading your spark producing circuitry. What would be the component that would be the most sensitive to higher voltage requirements????????? Probably the coil as Star recommended. A lot more things in there that could be sensitive to higher voltage than the solid state circuitry driving it.

I guess you have checked your wiring for breakdowns.........before you jump on the coil, wait till after dark and in a dark room, garage, shop, whatever, with both plugs installed, visually go over every inch of the wiring from the plugs, starting with the insulators to the HV leads to the plugs, to the coil, around the points where the spark plug wires exit, to the input voltage connection to the coil and back to the trigger circuit.

Look for a blue arc where there shouldn't be one. I have seen arcs down the plug insulator, arcing from the high voltage plug lead to something that is grounded or tied to 12v, arcing from the plug wire entry point in the coil to the 12v input terminal through the coil insulation, and same with the coil ground connection.

If that all looks good then if I were spending my money, since you have already changed the plugs and have had the same result, I too would change the coil. Yes you are throwing money at the problem, but having a career in the business of high voltage and it's breakdowns, it can be a sly fox to capture and right now nothing else seems to make sense.
 

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If you can remove one spark plug wire and it fires, have you tried to plug the other wire up as it's running to see what happens? Make sure you use something to keep from getting shocked though... There should be an ohms reading for the primary and both secondary coil windings. Maybe check them out to see if they read in range. I hate to see folks spend money on parts, especially electronic parts, without verification they are indeed bad... JMHO!
 

twerner

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No it will only fire if I remove plug , I'm starting not to like Mercury and sad part is there only 1 hour from my house I also talked to there in house guys and they told me go to a dealer not answer I wanted
 

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I think Mercury gets up to $90 at a marina, if you are in a tourist area it could be more. It is a Yammy coil and can be bought off the net for $50 + shipping. Iboats can get one for you. If you are a prime Amazon member they might find one there. I buy my mower parts there. Texasmark is right it could be another component failing. I find that at it's best the spark on my 05 15 hp was never the bright blue strong spark I am used to on other motors I have owned. Tex is right but the that motor has 180# compression if it is right. that may kill a weak spark, It takes 15 minutes to put it in. The faulty coil I replaced checked OK with an ohm meter. Mine failed after it got hot. If you take it to a shop it will be at least $150. Those coils are used on a lot of motors. I worked on it for 2 seasons before I figured it out. It would run perfectly for 45 minutes at WOT, and then break up and cut out. It would start up and run fine after, and was never stranded!!!
 

twerner

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Well I just replaced ignition coil that was 130 bucks from are Mercury dealer and same thing just cranks over till I pull 1 plug any ideas
 

Texasmark

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Got an automotive timing light? Easiest way to check for spark. Pull a plug and crank the engine, hook up your light and ensure it's firing properly. Then reinstall the plug and attempt to start again and see if either plug has fire. Last, get a manual and look into the trouble shooting section, in particular voltage and resistance measurements of the ignition system. Sold on here or online useage rental. Go to the top of the page to "Boat Parts and Accessories". When the question box appears type in Seloc Service Manual and enter.

This is the craziest thing I ever encountered and apparently it's that way for a lot of others that frequent this site and you haven't heard from them. Good luck and surely keep us posted. Would really like to know the smoking gun on this one.
 
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