10,000 job cuts planned after AT&T-BellSouth deal

[technostingray]

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> Wow. I've been called a liberal. Told I like the old Soviet Union.... That's pretty stupid stuff to say about a conservative. I'm not calling anybody stupid, I'm just saying it's stupid stuff to say.

Intellegent people say stupid things, that's why they call it stupid. "Today marks the end of Major Combat in Iraq."

 

[RubberFrog]

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It's too bad I can't make it to the western pow wow. It sounds like a lot of fun.

 

[cmyers_uk]

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It is bad news but it is an example of capitalism at work. The alternative is socialism which also does not work. Ask your self honestly how much extra are you prepared to pay for something made in America 5% 10% 15% 20% 50% 100%? Then you see why jobs go its Human nature we all want everything cheap.

 

[QC]

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For some reason I have kinda avoided this thread. First post did seem out of character RF, not sure what level of sarcasm you intended . . . Anyway, all I care is that they keep the Cingular sponsorship alive in NASCAR, otherwise it will be a Nextel sweep in the South . . . <br /><br />Come on RF, you need a decent test drive for both the boat AND the trailer . . .

 

[PW2]

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CM,<br /><br />It gets into pretty complex economic theory, but globalization tends to lead to lower prices (Some countries can do some things better than anyone)<br /><br />And it creates more (but different) jobs, and it keeps inflation low, and makes developing nations into better consumers of what we do. (Why do you think Caterpillar and Boeing stock has been booming)<br /><br />It is truly a tide that can lift all boats, but it can be painful for some, at times. Ideally, it will be managed. <br /><br />It is a concept called "creative destruction"<br /><br />You would be actually hurting the economy if everyone agreed to pay some higher percent for a certain item over what it was worth, simply because of where it was made (assuming all else is equal)

 

[DJ]

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PW2 wrote:<br /><br />

It would be nice if everyone could provide really good paying jobs for life. Unfortunately, that is not the reality.<br /><br />What the dems need to do is listen once in a while to Bill Clinton. He got the economy really going by globalization, and by encouaging massive productivity gains. Unfortunately, those productivity gains came at the expense of automating many existing jobs and the resultant job losses.<br />

There are NO guarentees, I agree.<br /><br />Trouble is, President Bill Clinton sold out our country and its technology for political support. He continues to do so. He and Jimmy Carter are our countries two worst enemies. <br /><br />Bill Clinton rode the coattails of Reagan and Bush 41. President Clinton did EVERYTHING in his power to communize our economy. Any thinking person knows that economical changes are not instantaneous and the following admin. takes the heat.<br /><br />They (Ex Prez's) hate this country, why shouldn't everyone else? That's their pitch. Sorry, I grew up in the sixties too, just not to their tune.<br /><br />Besides, there is NOTHING wrong with our economy. Employers are desperate for people that:<br /><br />1. Show up.<br /><br />2. Drug free.<br /><br />3. Work.<br /><br />4. Have integrity.<br /><br />If you can't get a job, your lacking, one or more, of the previous.

 

[ob]

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Many foreign based companies can produce the product with workers that work for a steady gut full of food and less than janitor wages with little or no benefits.This is appealing to companies and also necessary at this point ,in order to have a chance of competing.

 

[DJ]

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ob wrote. <br /><br />

Many foreign based companies can produce the product with workers that work for a steady gut full of food and less than janitor wages with little or no benefits.This is appealing to companies and also necessary at this point ,in order to have a chance of competing.

And we eat up their products at an alarming rate.<br /><br />As I think: Americans produce junk, by popular thought. It's wrong, but perception is 100% of reality.<br /><br />OK, what are 300 million Americans supposed to do?<br /><br />I see it as the frog in the pan analogy. Turn up the heat-slowly-and the frog doesn't notice. But the frog gets cooked. That's US. We're too stupid, as a society, to realize what is happening.

 

[ob]

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I wasn't advocating the facts DJ,just reporting.Heck I went to O'Reilly Auto parts today and bought a brand new(better than original)rear brake rotor w/hand brake shoe hub for $22.39.I even got a warranty.I don't even bother to check dealer prices on item I can get elsewhere.It wasn't me or my choice of purchases that made things this way,but the politicians.A couple of which you mentioned.Would I pay $250 for the same product I can get for a fraction , for a futile attempt in trying to save an American company that was sold out by politicians?<br /><br />Not today.

 

[DJ]

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OB,<br /><br />Congrat's on your Chinese brake rotor.<br /><br />It's less than half the quality of the OEM product. It never fails to amaze me how people will "thrift" their purchases on the most important part of their vehicle-BRAKES.<br /><br />ONLY OEM products actually meet FMVSS stanards. The rest are tested, on bench, and never actually see a vehicle. Only OEM actually tests on a vehicle.<br /><br />There are NO aftermarket brake products out there that arer actaully vehicle tested ((FMVSS). I can prove it.<br /><br />You want to trust your brakes to price, go ahead. Just don't follow anyone to close.<br /><br />By the way, WARRANTY. By who? A warranty is only as good as the company that wrote it. Good luck.

 

[ob]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> OB,<br /><br />Congrat's on your Chinese brake rotor.<br /><br />It's less than half the quality of the OEM product. It never fails to amaze me how people will "thrift" their purchases on the most important part of their vehicle-BRAKES.<br /><br />ONLY OEM products actually meet FMVSS stanards. The rest are tested, on bench, and never actually see a vehicle. Only OEM actually tests on a vehicle.<br /><br />You want to trust your brakes to price, go ahead. Just don't follow anyone to close.

It seems you have your opinion and I have mine.I'm wondering what first hand information you may or may not have on the structural integrity or the engineered specs of the rotor I just purchased.You got the country wrong.<br /><br />I can understand your passion for love of country ,but reality is reality.I've been turning wrenches for too many years to mention and have bought many parts over the years.I'll drive and sleep just fine on my recent rotor purchase.But ,thanks just the same.

 

[DJ]

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ob,<br /><br />There are NO aftermarket pads/rotors that meet FMVSS standards. Look it up. FMVSS requires an actual vehicle test. It's about $500k per test/vehicle. No aftermarket company actually tests on a vehicle-FMVSS requirement.<br /><br />Only OEM's do it. <br /><br />Everyobody else is a copy, and a bad one. OEM pads/rotors are well guarded recipes. The rest (aftermarket) are also rans and have no data as to their performance, or lack of.<br /><br />My point is that I DO NOT mess around with brakes/steering or fuel systems on a vehicle. Believe it or not, the vehicle engineers that designed it are probbably brighter than you and me. <br /><br />I'll at least-admit it.

 

[DJ]

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Let me add this.<br /><br />I talked with a "Brakes Plus" Manager, not long ago.<br /><br />He told me that 90% of their business was on American nameplate veicles. He stated: "foreign car owners use OEM stuff and go back to the dealer".<br /><br />I find that telling and interesting.

 

[ob]

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Well now ,if the original manufacturers rotor was worth the paperwork it took to process all of its certification standards,then perhaps it wouldn't have warped prematurely and had to be replaced in the first place.Many aftermarket parts are junk.I'll give you that much.However if all OEM or original parts were machined and tested to the finest of standards ,then NHTSA would be out of business.

 

[DJ]

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ob,<br /><br />There are NO mysteries here. <br /> <br />If you want brake life, you lose stopping performance. <br /><br />I'll take stopping power over pad/rotor life any day. Unfortuneatley, the American public doesn't think that way.<br /><br />As for premature warpage. I can warp any rotor within 20 miles. MAYBE, it's the driver?<br /><br />But, we Americans cannot blame ourselves for anything.<br /><br />I have no problem blaming myself for making a mistake.<br /><br />As said earlier, I ONLY use OEM. I have confidence knowing the pad/rotor will perform to original standards. As said, I DON'T mess around with brakes.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> ob,<br /><br /> the vehicle engineers that designed it are probbably brighter than you and me. <br /><br />

I find that hard to believe when it comes to the brakes on my '94 Chevy 3/4 ton Suburban. 17,000 mile and the linings on my brake pads are business card thin. This, with a driver who knows how to brake and with no additional load on them.<br /><br />You can't convince me of the superiority of OEM engineers!<br /><br />...but then, how did we digress from 10,000 lost jobs for railroad brakemen?