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[Scott Danforth]

Wife's audi has a bunch of weather messages too.

 

[Lou C]

Our Subaru does that too and believe it or not, so does my ancient '98 Grand Cherokee.

 

[dingbat]

You want to talk about annoying... the Mazda has Driver Attention and Driver Drowsiness Alerts.
Escalating auditable/visual alarms along with "take a break" voice command.
Scared the stuff out of me the first time it happened.

 

[jlh3rd]

I get a pop up "you need a break?"
NO!
my bladder tells me just fine.
then there's the "check the back seat" when turning the car off.....
jeez...

 

[Lou C]

There's some good here, but some of it, is so irritating, I don't think I can live with it. I'll take auto braking and adaptive cruise control but the rest please. We are all grown-ups now.
More than that, here are things forced on us I really don't care for:
10 spd transmissions
CVTs
all aluminum and plastic engines
direct injection
plastic oil pans
wet belt designs
front and rear fascias retained by 30 cheap little plastic fasteners
full roof sunroofs that creak and leak
most of this is to reduce weight some is to increase efficiency but not ONE DANG bit of concern for repair costs. Why do you think your insurance is so much more expensive?
You have a back up camera, great till it breaks then your car won't pass inspection till you fix it for $2 grand
You brake a tail light on a Ford F-150 just check the price on that ($1700?)
and politicians crow about "affordability"

 

[bruceb58]

10 spd transmissions

I love 10 speed transmissions. Had it on my 2018 F-150 and have it on my 2024 GMC 2500. Both are the smoothest shifting transmissions I have ever owned and perfect for towing, although they never go above 8th gear while towing. Coupled with adaptive cruise control, you never have to deal with turning off cruise even when the transmission is shifting under load.

Lou, have you ever driven a car with a 10 speed especially towing?

 

[Pmt133]

The 10 speed in the denali is pretty good. The (more or less the same) 10 speed in the ford is a jerking shuddering mess. Coincidentally the 10 speed in my cousins sierra behind the 6.2 does the same thing as the ford. In both those cases I equate it to someone not knowing how to drive stick in what it feels like. I'll take it over a cvt though they do have their place.

Actually the denali is very good if I'm going to be honest about it. If I had to replace my 19 right now that'd be what I slide into after owning current vehicles from the big 3 and yota.

 

[FLATHEAD]

I love 10 speed transmissions. Had it on my 2018 F-150 and have it on my 2024 GMC 2500. Both are the smoothest shifting transmissions I have ever owned and perfect for towing, although they never go above 8th gear while towing. Coupled with adaptive cruise control, you never have to deal with turning off cruise even when the transmission is shifting under load.

Lou, have you ever driven a car with a 10 speed especially towing?

Love my ten speed in my 2025 Chevy 2500. Pulls like freight train when loaded. Smooth as can be everyday driving.

 

[Scott Danforth]

The 10 speed transmissions in the Ford and GM are sister transmissions from the same Ford/GM JV

 

[jlh3rd]

most of us , or some like me, posting on the original subject do not deny that these new "devices" perform better or smoother.....in the short haul.
I look at it from a longevity, reliability issue for the long term. Also from a DIY repair capability. I don't trade in every 3,4,5 years. My camaro is an '02, truck is an '08. And the computer stuff is still a worry.

 

[jlh3rd]

There's some good here, but some of it, is so irritating, I don't think I can live with it. I'll take auto braking and adaptive cruise control but the rest please. We are all grown-ups now.
More than that, here are things forced on us I really don't care for:
10 spd transmissions
CVTs
all aluminum and plastic engines
direct injection
plastic oil pans
wet belt designs
front and rear fascias retained by 30 cheap little plastic fasteners
full roof sunroofs that creak and leak
most of this is to reduce weight some is to increase efficiency but not ONE DANG bit of concern for repair costs. Why do you think your insurance is so much more expensive?
You have a back up camera, great till it breaks then your car won't pass inspection till you fix it for $2 grand
You brake a tail light on a Ford F-150 just check the price on that ($1700?)
and politicians crow about "affordability"

absolutely.

 

[Scott Danforth]

I also run vehicles for about 15 years/300,000 miles or more. the screens in my 2014 GMC are both going belly up. the fix is to buy new screens. however if that happens, the motor and trans will go stand-alone ECM. the problematic 6L80E will get rebuilt for the 4th time or replaced with a 6-speed manual at which point the iffy T-case with the electric shift will be replaced with an Atlas unit. the infotainment unit will get replaced with something, and the truck gauges will get replaced with AutoMeter.

then again, all the exterior weatherstripping, plastic light housings and plastic trim on the truck is deteriorating at an alarming rate. Today's vehicles are just NOT designed to go more than 8 years or 100,000 miles like the vehicles were just 15 years ago.

 

[Lou C]

I love 10 speed transmissions. Had it on my 2018 F-150 and have it on my 2024 GMC 2500. Both are the smoothest shifting transmissions I have ever owned and perfect for towing, although they never go above 8th gear while towing. Coupled with adaptive cruise control, you never have to deal with turning off cruise even when the transmission is shifting under load.

Lou, have you ever driven a car with a 10 speed especially towing?

No I haven’t but test drove a Bronco with it. Just not used to that much shifting I guess, seeing as how what I’ve driven for many years are Chrysler automatics (4 speed 42RE very old school, & 545RFE, the last Chrysler designed auto before they went to the ZF 8 speed).

 

[Lou C]

I also run vehicles for about 15 years/300,000 miles or more. the screens in my 2014 GMC are both going belly up. the fix is to buy new screens. however if that happens, the motor and trans will go stand-alone ECM. the problematic 6L80E will get rebuilt for the 4th time or replaced with a 6-speed manual at which point the iffy T-case with the electric shift will be replaced with an Atlas unit. the infotainment unit will get replaced with something, and the truck gauges will get replaced with AutoMeter.

then again, all the exterior weatherstripping, plastic light housings and plastic trim on the truck is deteriorating at an alarming rate. Today's vehicles are just NOT designed to go more than 8 years or 100,000 miles like the vehicles were just 15 years ago.

That’s one reason why I kept the old 98 ZJ Grand Cherokee. Simple vehicle no screens no nanny devices it does have the long lived AMC/Chrysler 4.0 six and the manual NV 242 transfer case with 2wd, 4 high, 4 high full time & 4 low. Best t case ever put in a Jeep. It does have 4 channel abs which was better than some vehicles of that era. Drivetrain has over 180,000 on it now.

 

[Pmt133]

So far, my 19 has given me no reason to suspect it won't go 300k+. As of right now I'm half way there. That being said the 07, 03, and 04 are well beyond that on just brakes and tires so.... probably should've kept the 04.

Edit for clarification: if anything gives me issue, it will be the HMI for sure.

 

[Lpgc]

That’s one reason why I kept the old 98 ZJ Grand Cherokee. Simple vehicle no screens no nanny devices it does have the long lived AMC/Chrysler 4.0 six and the manual NV 242 transfer case with 2wd, 4 high, 4 high full time & 4 low. Best t case ever put in a Jeep. It does have 4 channel abs which was better than some vehicles of that era. Drivetrain has over 180,000 on it now.

Had a couple of those myself. Prone to rear diff problems (staying locked up or whining) though?

One of my customers is a fan of the later Hemi engine'd Jeeps, collects and runs them, fixes some up and sells them on, I do quite a lot of work for him on them. He's an IT guy and wrote some diagnostic software for Jeep / Chrysler. He says a common problem is when someone tries to code a new key using a not totally compatible cheap Chinese key programer, it can sometimes cause the immobiliser to lock out all keys with not much chance of anyone being able to fix that except himself. A lot of those he buys are none-runners due to immobiliser problems lol. But he lost money on the last one he bought at auction, 5.7 Hemi (he prefers the bigger Hemi) with the wasted spark cross over ignition wires, when he bought it someone had disconnected all the wires from the engine, just needed me to connect it all back up so the engine would run. As soon as it started the engine was knocking and misfiring, seems he bought one with what might be a dropped valve, not quite the bargain he was expecting it to be.

 

[Jeff J]

My wife wants me to sell the ‘08 F150 extended cab. I would rather fix the rusted fenders and rocker panel and keep running it. 240,000 miles. It needed an intake manifold about 100,000 miles ago due to a design flaw. The aluminum pieces in the manifold corrode, swell and break the plastic spewing coolant everywhere when it lets go. I caught the smell of coolant the other day so I will likely need another manifold before long. Coils don’t react well to being soaked with coolant. I had to replace the 3 closest to the leak the day after I had the manifold replaced. The parking brake corroded after being dunked in the lake a few times and would not release by pulling the handle in the cab. The LEDS in the radio display have faded to the point of barely being visible during daylight hours.

Under warranty, I had to have the cabin air diverter valve worked on. A piece of insulation with an adhesive backing had slipped somehow and caused the valve to stick so I could only get airflow to the floor. And a steering hose had to be replaced because the factory had it routed against a sharp corner which caused a leak.

I never owned a vehicle more than 6 years before I got this truck. I am in no hurry to get rid of it.

 

[Lou C]

Had a couple of those myself. Prone to rear diff problems (staying locked up or whining) though?

One of my customers is a fan of the later Hemi engine'd Jeeps, collects and runs them, fixes some up and sells them on, I do quite a lot of work for him on them. He's an IT guy and wrote some diagnostic software for Jeep / Chrysler. He says a common problem is when someone tries to code a new key using a not totally compatible cheap Chinese key programer, it can sometimes cause the immobiliser to lock out all keys with not much chance of anyone being able to fix that except himself. A lot of those he buys are none-runners due to immobiliser problems lol. But he lost money on the last one he bought at auction, 5.7 Hemi (he prefers the bigger Hemi) with the wasted spark cross over ignition wires, when he bought it someone had disconnected all the wires from the engine, just needed me to connect it all back up so the engine would run. As soon as it started the engine was knocking and misfiring, seems he bought one with what might be a dropped valve, not quite the bargain he was expecting it to be.

With the old 98 it still has the original differentials (owned since new) @ 183,000 miles. Always used full syn 75/140 gear oil maybe that helped. The 4.0 six models had the Dana 30 up front & Dans 35 in the rear, the 96-98 V8s had the aluminum Dana 44 which was more trouble prone. My 07 with the 5.7 Hemi has been very good, no major mechanical problems at all, just a few electrical issues. Both need some rust repair at this point. If I could find a clean 07-10 5.7 with no rust & low miles sure I’d buy it!

 

[jlh3rd]

yep. I don't go by re-sale blue book. A quick google showed a new replacement starts around $41,700.
and depends on my DIY skills and replacement parts.

 

[bruceb58]

No I haven’t but test drove a Bronco with it. Just not used to that much shifting I guess, seeing as how what I’ve driven for many years are Chrysler automatics (4 speed 42RE very old school, & 545RFE, the last Chrysler designed auto before they went to the ZF 8 speed).

You hardly feel the shifts in a 10 speed. BTW, when you drove that bronco, it skips gears 2 and 4 unless you were in sport or trailer mode. F-150s do the same.