Mercruiser motor swap

jasonburba74

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I was wonder if it is possible to swap motors in a 2008 Tahoe Q7i boat. I currently have a Mercruiser 4.3L and I would like to replace it with a Mercruiser 5.0L. Will the Tahoe boat be able to handle this size motor?
 

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should be easy. however the boat is nearly 21 feet long. go with a 5.7 if you are sticking to Gen 1 SBC motor over the 5.0

@Scott06 did a similar swap with his boat.
 

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I agree with Scott, no one ever wished they had less power. And when a 305 and 350 are the same size and weight why wouldn't you. Obviously if you already have the 305 that could do it....

Probably going to have to build engine mounts unless they left them long enough for the V8. Some do, some don't.
 

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You might look up the weight of the V6 and V8 and see the difference. I expect it to be nominal. You might ask the experts if the motor mounts will match
 

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I was wonder if it is possible to swap motors in a 2008 Tahoe Q7i boat. I currently have a Mercruiser 4.3L and I would like to replace it with a Mercruiser 5.0L. Will the Tahoe boat be able to handle this size motor?
I did a similar swap back in 2015-16 on a 2004 sea ray 200 sport (20-21 ft) that turned out very well.

I bought it with a known cracked 4.3/190 hp carbed engine. The boat was also offered with 4.3 MPI 220 hp, 5.0 carb /220 hp, 5.0 mpi 260 hp options. I went back in with a 5.0 figuring if it needed a 5.7 it would have been offered with one... if I did it again I would just do the 5.7 as it costs the same or actually less. They stopped making 5.0s longer ago so they can be harder and more expensive to come by.

the key thing to look at is space in front of the 4.3. The 4.3 is a 5.7 missing two middle cylinders, so is identical block front and back but the V8s are 4-4.5" longer. So you need 4-5 " in front of the engine clear.

Sea ray built the hull and engine compartments to handle the V6 and V8, there was space in front, and the engine mount stringers on the sides of the engine were about a foot long so the 4.3 mounts sat on the rear of these, and the V8 mounts sit towards the front. If you don't have this you will have to glass in or fab metal to make it work. if you have the space in front and mounts it is basically plug and play.

I made my own bobtail by getting Michigan Motorz partial engine (silver package). Its a new GM base engine with tinware plus a distributor/ignition, intake/carb, and fuel pump /hoses. I bought new exhaust. You actually can use your risers /elbows on the V8 manifolds, just will need the downturn elbow after the riser elbow off a V8 as the V6 is different. The distributor is also the same if you swap cap and rotor and get a V8 module.

So I spent a bunch of time combing through parts diagrams of the 4.3 and 5.0s. I used all the accessories off the 4.3 - PS pump/alternator, wiring harness, flywheel cover / coupler , starter etc. Only snag is if you have a 090M (metric) casting 4.3 you will need to swap out the fasteners for the flywheel cover, starter, and side motor mounts for SAE. These 10 or so bolts are metric, everything else is SAE. Also needed a few cooling hoses (thermostat to one manifold and hose up from drive to thermo) but a lot of them fit. Also i had MM take off the fuel pump and used the factory merc one-tweaked the fuel line length to fit, and had to use the throttle cable bracket off the 357alpha crate engine as it fit my edlebrock 1409.

Bottom line I saved $1500-2 k vs buying a complete bobtail and this was at 2015 prices- whole engine with exhaust and a few other spare parts was $5k delivered. Savings today would be more as long as you are not paying a mechanic to spend a couple hours moving stuff over. If you are paying someone to do this just get a bobtail as it will be the same cost total.

Other thing to negotiate is the drive ratio. My boat came with a 1.81 ratio drive with the 190 hp 4.3, allother engine options use the 1.62. I kept the 1.81 drive as the boat only had 37 hrs. I had to go up 2" in pitch to get the WOT rpm correct. It seems like the drive ratios work with the 2" prop pitch steps to keep most applications within the typical/basic 17"-21" prop range.

Again if you do it just go with the 5.7 as the alpha drives are factory offered with the 5.7 Mag/300 hp. While my set up works great, when I have 8 adults from time to time a few more horses wouldn't hurt
 

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Saw one of those for sale with a Merc Reman 300hp 350 hooked to a Bravo 3.
You could upgrade to the newer 4.5 V6 at 225hp; personally no one has ever complained of too much power. 300hp 350 at least. Beyond that you need to consider maybe changing the drive as it may not have a long life behind say a 383 stroker.
 

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You might look up the weight of the V6 and V8 and see the difference. I expect it to be nominal. You might ask the experts if the motor mounts will match
there used to be engine install drawings on the merc site with dimensions for where the motor mounts go off the X dimension (crank/ outdrive driveshaft center line). that's where I got the 4.5" from
 

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the 5.7 is the gateway drug to the 383...
The amount of restraint I exercised by only going to a V6 in my 4 winns needs to be studied. It was either 4.3 or 388, nothing else. :ROFLMAO:

Then again, anything feels better than a 3.0l in a 19 footer.
 

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The amount of restraint I exercised by only going to a V6 in my 4 winns needs to be studied. It was either 4.3 or 388, nothing else. :ROFLMAO:

Then again, anything feels better than a 3.0l in a 19 footer.
yes I had a 3.0 in a 17-18 ft bowrider. Wasnt really adequate there either, but I do miss putting $50 of gas in going all weekend and still having a qtr tank.
 

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No 383 suggestion?
yes, the Q7 did come with the 6.2 as an option. most of the motors were the 50 MPI engine, and some received the entry level 4.3

however the OP asked if it was possible to go to a 5.0 from a 4.3, and if the boat could handle it....... and hasnt been back

so I am betting they dont turn wrenches often and havent even did a search for what motors may or may not have come in the Q7

I would put a 383 in the boat in a heartbeat, or even an all-aluminum LS with a heat exchanger
 

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yes I had a 3.0 in a 17-18 ft bowrider. Wasnt really adequate there either, but I do miss putting $50 of gas in going all weekend and still having a qtr tank.
Once it was on plane ot was... fine. With 4 adults you were doing 24-26 mph without killing it with RPMs. I burn the same amount of fuel getting places but that's simply because I can cruise ~10mph faster. To do the same amount of water sports it seems to consume about 20% more fuel... which was a fair compromise for being able to take 6 adults out and plane off better than it would empty with the 3.0l.
 

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Once it was on plane ot was... fine. With 4 adults you were doing 24-26 mph without killing it with RPMs. I burn the same amount of fuel getting places but that's simply because I can cruise ~10mph faster. To do the same amount of water sports it seems to consume about 20% more fuel... which was a fair compromise for being able to take 6 adults out and plane off better than it would empty with the 3.0l.
yes I'm a big guy and the boat could pull me up on two skiis just fine. This was with a 16" pitch 4 blade Michigan Vortex. Ran a 18" 4 blade for non skiing use. Also was so easy to get at the spark plugs and two drain plugs.

Not sure how many hours you put on yours a season- on a northern lake we are lucky to get 35 or so. Fuel use is like $1000 or 1200 a year so for family fun with the kids friends I see it as a good investment.
 

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yes I'm a big guy and the boat could pull me up on two skiis just fine. This was with a 16" pitch 4 blade Michigan Vortex. Ran a 18" 4 blade for non skiing use. Also was so easy to get at the spark plugs and two drain plugs.

Not sure how many hours you put on yours a season- on a northern lake we are lucky to get 35 or so. Fuel use is like $1000 or 1200 a year so for family fun with the kids friends I see it as a good investment.
I ran a 19 for cruise which was a bear with a full boat, but still got 45-4600 wide open with load. Tubing was a 17p 4 blade and it was fine but you only got ~20mph.

Last year I got very little due to doing the cabin over, about 30 hours. Typically I get 100-150 hours of running. (Way more than that hammered at the marina so they don't count.) So figure ~$4000 in fuel at these current prices.
 

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with an 80 gallon tank, we are not taking the boat out as much as we would like, considering the average boating trip is 40-50 miles round trip
 
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