1977 16' Baja

ddavisr

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Looking for info about a 1977 Baja 16' finish. Did they use gel coat back then or did they paint boats? Its a blue metal flake currently and appears to be the original paint job. What kind of prep work needs to be done to repaint the boat?
 

Wimperdink

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

I'm assuming blue metal flake is paint. Gelcoat is normally a solid color. Do a search here on boat paint and you'll have a few hours of reading.
 

CalicoKid

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

Gotta contradict ya there Wimper... My '88 Baja has a blue metal-flake gel-coat stripe, the rest of the hull is white gel-coat. The flakes are very large compared to metalic paint and are covered/surrounded by clear gel coat. I don't think they made any Bajas with paint rather than gel-coat.<br /><br />ddavisr use the red search link near the top of this page. There is a lot of info archived here on painting a fiberglass boat. If the gel-coat isn't too horrible it can often be restored to great condition.
 

ddavisr

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

The metal flake is in the paint not the clear coat. Would that tell me that it is paint Im looking at and not gelcoat?
 

CalicoKid

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

Here is my gel-coat. It is a thick (1/16 inch or more) polyester coating that is very durable. Common fiberglass boats are made in a female mold and the gel-coat is the first layer applied in the mold and the boat is built from the outside in. Unless your boat has been painted at some point you should have gel-coat too. Paint will scratch off fairly easily. <br /><br />
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<br /><br />Is your finish in rough shape? Why do you want to paint it? Got any pictures?
 

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You can go to www.myfishingpictures.com (or another image hosting site) set up a free account and upload your pictures to there. Each picture will have an address which you copy and paste into your posting using the image option in the full reply form.
 

ddavisr

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

Hear are a few pictures, I need to take some close up which I will do today. <br /><br />CalicoKid, you boat looks great!
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MSmith3615

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

Its gel-coat unless someone painted it before you owned it.
 

MSmith3615

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

I really like the look of that Baja. If you do paint it I sure would like to see the results. I'm on my 5th Baja and all of them where gel-coated, but its possible somone painted it before you owned it, closer pics will help.
 

ddavisr

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

First of all I would like to thank everyone for there help. I have been reading several post on this board about painting boats and its very helpful. Two areas I started to sand show the different coats that are on the boat. I understand how boats are built in the mold starting with gel coat that is nothing more then resin with pigment added to it. One question I have is can you sand gel coat off? If this boat was repainted wouldn't I find another color (Gelcoat) from sanding the paint off? <br />I plan on painting this boat red with a black stripe down the middle. Same color red that Baja used around 90-91 on alot of there boats. Well thanks again for your help, hear are some close ups of the boat.<br />
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ondarvr

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If you sand off all of the gel coat you will create a lot more work. It looks like your boat has been clear coated before, that's what's peeling. It's possible that it's clear gel coat, but gel coat doesn't normally peel like that.<br />If you sand off all of the gel coat it will be difficult to get a good surface to paint, the surface will be uneven and full of pin holes. There should be a color coat under the flake, just take it down to that.
 

CalicoKid

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I'll agree with what ondarvr said. What it appears you have there is a metal-flake blue gel-coat which has been clear coated (not by Baja) probably after the gel-coat faded or oxidized. Definately sand off or remove the clear paint layer. In some places you have sanded right down to fiberglass, you probably don't need to go that far. Then again the metal flakes might cause you troubles if they are flaking and lifting, I don't know. But your close up pictures make the blue layer look sound enough to prep for paint, at least from here.<br /><br />It's hard to tell but I think, from the outside in, that the gel-coat is clear, blue/transparent, silver flakes, white, then fiberglass hull construction. Maybe there is no white layer as you don't have any white on the rest of the hull.<br /><br />As long as you are making a big mess :D , how are the floor, transom and stringers? What kind of motor are you going to run?<br /><br />I really like the shape of that hull along with the windshield and railings, it will look great when done! Somehow I think Baja stepped backwards for a while with the windshields after yours, mine is chunky and tall, but then it's a walkthrough...<br /><br />Keep us posted, I'd like to see that boat on the prowl again!
 

ddavisr

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

The boat overall is in good shape, the floor is solid. The transom will be replaced, it shows a little rot up near the top. There are several holes drilled for different motors that were plugged with wooden dowels. Want to clean the area up to make a clean looking transom. As far as the motor Im looking for a mid 70's johnson or Evinrude 115 to restore. I have rebuilt a few in the past so I would like to stick with a motor I know. The boat is rated for 120. I like the look of the Mercury 6 cylinder 115's but I havent worked on them to much. My goal is make a nice looking boat that will last several years. I had a 1997 188 Baja and love it. I found this boat on Ebay and got it for 200 bucks! I was very pleased with the shape of the boat and can't wait to really get into restoring the boat. I also plan on removing the upper deck of the boat to make sure everything is in good shape and clean. You can see int hepictures that the rubrail and rivets have been removed so I hope to get the deck off this weekend. <br /><br />I will be happy to keep you guys posted with pictures as I move forward. Thanks again for your help!
 

Chris1956

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ddavisr, My '74 Avenger speedboat had medium blue (like yours) metalflake paint over blue-green metalflake gel coat. I ended up wet sanding it smooth (400 grit) and with painting solid white(blue tinge). A very contempory look.
 

CalicoKid

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Oh you're going to be stylin'! Glad to see you want to do it right. Hey, I'll race ya when your done OK?<br />
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ddavisr

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Chris1956, do you have any pictures of your boat? Did you prime the boat before painting? Ome thing about my boat is that the metal flake fades from the rubrail up and there is alot of it. Im still thinking of just removing it all, spray good coat of primer, sanding that smooth and then paint. Im shooting for a solid red with a black racing stripe down the middle. Also plan on adding meatl flake to the clear coat above the rub rail. I hear alot about Imron paints but I don't know much about them.<br /><br />Calicokid, what engine/drive setup are you runing? Your boat looks in really good shape.
 

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

Remove wax with a good wax remover (can't just assume sanding will remove it all).<br /><br />Sand the entire hull (must remove the old flaking clear coat). <br /><br />Repair any surface imperfections.<br /><br />Prime the entire hull with a quality marine high-build primer. You may need multiple coats. The high-build primer will fill small imperfections. Sand between coats.<br /><br />Apply a good top coat. If budget allows, use something like Interlux Perfection. It is basically Awlgrip designed for roller and brush application. You can use the roll and tip technique and get very good results. <br /><br />Use primer and top coat from the same paint family.<br /><br />You will have a beautiful boat when you are done.
 

ddavisr

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Re: 1977 16' Baja

I read alot about "roller and tip", could someone explain this to me? I was planning on using a spray gun for primer and paint. When I hear roller I think of painting a house. Will this give me a glass finish? What are the pros and cons to "roller/tip" vs. spraying?
 

Chris1956

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ddavis, I did the prep work myself and had the paint sprayed by a professional. He used an Awlgrip-type paint (two part polyurethane), over the appropriate primer. The painter recommended solid white since the hull was not perfect, and the imperfections will show on a dark color. I may be repainting it next year, since it has had hard use, although the paint finish was certainly durable enough. I think I will paint it myself this time however.<br /><br />I have heard that the Imron paints are hard to use, and I know they are quite pricy.
 
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