Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

[m_court15]

Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

I think it's funny how o.j. simpson can get away with killing a person, but Vick gets all this scrutiny.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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OJ was found "Not Guilty"........​

 

[Plainsman]

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Like it or not, and I don't, OJ was found not guilty in a court of law. Vick is pleading guilty to the crimes he committed.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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"Mike killed a piece of property. I love my dog, but she is property."

I beg to differ, the law of the land may deem it to be so, the law also stipulates that it is legal to murder unborn humans; for they are not yet deemed to be people, the law is an ***.

That pond scum engaged in the wanton slaughter and abuse of living breathing creatures, a total disregard for one of God's created lifeforms.

I am proud to call my dog my friend, i will protect a "friend" at the risk of losing my own life, that is not something i have to think twice about.

In my book Michael Vick; provided that he is fairly given his day in court, if determined to be guilty, deserves the punishment equal to that of a mass murderer.

As far as trying to muddy the water with irrelevancies of the Ted Kenedy and OJ Simpson sagas, i'll say it again, the law is an ***.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I agree his conduct/actions were vile.....
I want to know why he is not being charged under the RICOH act for racketeering?.....
He should be sentenced to a day in a cage with some real hungry dogs, IMHO.....​

 

[PW2]

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The cruelty to animals, as bad as that is, is secondary to the concerns of the NFL.

It's the illegal gambling, and the associations that accompany it, are what the NFL must not and cannot tolerate.

They banned Pete Rose for life from baseball. I see little difference here.

 

[kenmyfam]

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Now I know who he is !!!!
Let the law deal out the required penalty to him.
Let him take a pack of hungry wolves for "walkies"
He got caught and will be dealt with. There are many others involved in pro sports that are crooks as well. Most of them just have not been caught yet.
There is corruption as far down as your childrens house league sports. You just have to look at who has the "loaded" team each year. And it is the same with all of the sports with the exception of T-Ball in my opinion.

 

[POINTER94]

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"Mike killed a piece of property. I love my dog, but she is property."

I beg to differ, the law of the land may deem it to be so, the law also stipulates that it is legal to murder unborn humans; for they are not yet deemed to be people, the law is an ***.

That pond scum engaged in the wanton slaughter and abuse of living breathing creatures, a total disregard for one of God's created lifeforms.

I am proud to call my dog my friend, i will protect a "friend" at the risk of losing my own life, that is not something i have to think twice about.

In my book Michael Vick; provided that he is fairly given his day in court, if determined to be guilty, deserves the punishment equal to that of a mass murderer.

As far as trying to muddy the water with irrelevancies of the Ted Kenedy and OJ Simpson sagas, i'll say it again, the law is an ***.

Wanton slaughter? Going to have a steak or burger this weekend?

I could never allow or take the life of my friend either. Notice that licence plate around her neck. Property. Am I a monster because I make her get the newspaper in the morning even if it is raining? There is a slippery slope when we apply human attributes and human rights to animals.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Wanton slaughter? Going to have a steak or burger this weekend?

I could never allow or take the life of my friend either. Notice that licence plate around her neck. Property. Am I a monster because I make her get the newspaper in the morning even if it is raining? There is a slippery slope when we apply human attributes and human rights to animals.

Killing livestock for food is not a reprehensible act, like i say; i beg to differ on the subject of whether one's dog is regarded as property or not.

The slippery slope was crossed with the interference of nature by mankind in domesticating certain species of animals to become our companions.
Not many moons ago many humans were regarded as the property of other humans.
Sad to say that still happens today in various parts of our world.

 

[POINTER94]

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FYI, some asians consider dogs livestock. Can we now apply our American "moral" values towards them?

This is what happens when you take "morals" (you can't legislate morals I have been told by many right here on this site) out of the equasion.. I am disgusted by Mick Vicks actions, but this nationwide hatefest that has erupted around him is equally as sad... If he did the crime, does his time, why can't he try to make a fresh start with a unique talent nobody here on this board has? I keep hearing how fat bottom girl changed her views from communist (to socialist/communist) and is now ready to be President, why can't MV have the same luxury?

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Emotions are much stronger then reason, (n' it usually pays to resist emotions).

I have been a Cornservative all me adult life, n' even though I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I'm pretty fair at observation of human cornduct, (essential to be a sucessfull investor), IMHO.

These skills were honed during my lending carreer and later as an investment professional. The best investors, (BY FAR), were the ones who would buy something when they were scared, n' sell something when they were giddy at how smart they were buyin' the same stock/bond et al earlier on the cheap when they were scared. BULLS n' BEARS make money PIGS never do.

The MSM hypes all of our emotions, n' pols (on both sides) exploit our collective weaknesses. There was a lady South of Seattle a few days ago who was very badly mauled by two Pit Bulls who came into her house and killed her neighbors' dog she was baby sitting, and badly mauled her face, boobs, n' upper body. Terrible!!!

Pit Bulls are bred to be killers, (by our fellow human beings). They will not give up and do fight to the death.

The media always hypes up our emotions. If we stop the process of critical thinkin' (always necessary to prevent nasy losses, or to take advantage of opportunity fer an investor), because of applyin' our own FEELINGS, ya can get a whole set of mindless regulations n' grow NANNY GUBMINT, as happens all the time. It is not a cornspiracy, it is human nature.

Boil it down and this is closer to what Pointer discribes, (with his famous brutal logic), then the electronic lynchin' yer seein' now. O.J.s' crime is far worse n' the Loons on the CA jury are a disgrace. Teddy Oldsmobile may not have indended to kill, but treatin' his victim, (A REAL VICTIM: LIBERALS), as a piece of terlet paper n' votin' him in time after time is disgusting if ya have any sense of fairness.

Like others here I'm not a pro sports fan, n' what the NFL does is jus' bidness, IMHO. The emotions about this n' thinkin' about yer wonderfull pet are what is hypin' up this rediculas n' sad story.

My $.02 JR

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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FYI, some asians consider dogs livestock. Can we now apply our American "moral" values towards them?

This is what happens when you take "morals" (you can't legislate morals I have been told by many right here on this site) out of the equasion.. I am disgusted by Mick Vicks actions, but this nationwide hatefest that has erupted around him is equally as sad... If he did the crime, does his time, why can't he try to make a fresh start with a unique talent nobody here on this board has? I keep hearing how fat bottom girl changed her views from communist (to socialist/communist) and is now ready to be President, why can't MV have the same luxury?

We apply and try to apply American values wherever we can, that is not something new in the world of geopolitics.
If folks want to vote for Hillary; thats their perogative, i have'nt heard any news of her committing any illegal killings.
If you think that it is OK to afford the "same luxury", i shall call it previlege; to Michael Vick, then good for you, they may one day thank you for your vote.
Fwiw, as of yet, i have'nt seen any candidate from either party that is worthy of being President.

 

[PierBridge]

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Mike killed a piece of property. I love my dog, but she is property. He never should have done such a terrible thing. But Ray Lewis may have killed a person and he is a superstar.

The man has skills and has to earn a living. Lets see what he learns....

I have seen this stupid analogy on a few other sites also of course you get the hunting analogy which is even dumber then the Lewis one.

I try to explain the difference in the two but it wouldn't matter.......some people are just......never mind!

 

[POINTER94]

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Pierbridge,

Thank you for your valuable and in-depth anaylsis. And your comparison to some post you saw at move-on.org was stimulating.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we are all so much smarter for having read your post. I know I feel blessed for having read it......

Would you mind if I submit it to the NY Times? It's just the right tenor.

 

[Plainsman]

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Pierbridge,

Thank you for your valuable and in-depth anaylsis. And your comparison to some post you saw at move-on.org was stimulating.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we are all so much smarter for having read your post. I know I feel blessed for having read it......

Would you mind if I submit it to the NY Times? It's just the right tenor.

I'm confused by your comments Pointer. Are you saying that what he did was bad, but not a big deal? And was Ray Lewis convicted or did he plead to anything, I think not. Vick did plead out to being guilty.

As to the hunting analogy, there is a huge difference between hunting and what this piece of crap did. Is not fishing hunting as well?

I know that when I was in Korea that dog was eaten by them. That is their culture, as much as it sickens me, but that has nothing to do with what was done in this case. We have different values and lifestyles than they do. I could also liken your statement to that of our enemy. They saw off heads and stone their women, does that make it right because that is their culture?

To some of us our dogs are our family. We love them as you do your children. To us they are more than property, they are a life.

 

[POINTER94]

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What I am saying is that they were HIS dogs. Dogs are property. His actions offend and disgust me. I do not condone his actions. He broke the law and should go to jail. When he finishes his debt to society, shows he has learned his lesson and will not participate in these activities again, and can present himself as an asset to the league, then I think he should be given the opportunity to resume his tainted career. My comments are to be taken outside the emotion one gets when typing and looking at the family pet.

I believe killing a dog is not as bad as murdering a person. I don't think it is as bad as raping a woman, being a traitor to your country, beating or neglecting your children. I believe his spreading Hepititus to unsuspecting women is worse than this. I think what he did was terrible, I just don't think he is the Hitler he is being portrayed as in the news or by some on this thread based on his actions in this situation. What he did was barbaric, but in light of what goes on in the dark corners of professional sports, no worse than many others.

I don't believe he will be sentanced because he killed his dogs but because he neglected and used them for bloodsport. I could be wrong, the whole story sickens me and I have not followed it closely, but dogs are Property. That is the law. Abusing them is a crime, I agree, but to think we should punish a man for his entire life for doing something as stupid as this is to blow the whole situation out of proportion. You can torture a cow same as a dog. Torture is torture. My greatest concern really lies in what he was getting out of all this. It is a sick a perverted person who enjoys watching dogs fight to the death. I also am aware and many of you should too, what some whack jobs will extend this to. See PETA. I hope none of you are torturing any fish this weekend. Actually I hope all of you are torturing and killing as many as you want..

 

[Plainsman]

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What I am saying is that they were HIS dogs. Dogs are property. His actions offend and disgust me. I do not condone his actions. He broke the law and should go to jail. When he finishes his debt to society, shows he has learned his lesson and will not participate in these activities again, and can present himself as an asset to the league, then I think he should be given the opportunity to resume his tainted career. My comments are to be taken outside the emotion one gets when typing and looking at the family pet.

I believe killing a dog is not as bad as murdering a person. I don't think it is as bad as raping a woman, being a traitor to your country, beating or neglecting your children. I believe his spreading Hepititus to unsuspecting women is worse than this. I think what he did was terrible, I just don't think he is the Hitler he is being portrayed as in the news or by some on this thread based on his actions in this situation. What he did was barbaric, but in light of what goes on in the dark corners of professional sports, no worse than many others.

I don't believe he will be sentanced because he killed his dogs but because he neglected and used them for bloodsport. I could be wrong, the whole story sickens me and I have not followed it closely, but dogs are Property. That is the law. Abusing them is a crime, I agree, but to think we should punish a man for his entire life for doing something as stupid as this is to blow the whole situation out of proportion. You can torture a cow same as a dog. Torture is torture. My greatest concern really lies in what he was getting out of all this. It is a sick a perverted person who enjoys watching dogs fight to the death. I also am aware and many of you should too, what some whack jobs will extend this to. See PETA. I hope none of you are torturing any fish this weekend. Actually I hope all of you are torturing and killing as many as you want..

While I agree with most of your post, that fact that they were HIS dogs has nothing to do with this case and the LAW. Are you saying that because dogs are PROPERTY, it should be treated as if he broke a stereo? That is PROPERTY as well.

Where the Hitler analogy came from, I have no clue. What Vick did is nothing close as to what that madman did. I don't see him being made out that way in the press.

As for cows being being tortured, and I am not a cowboy, but how are they tortured? They live on the range, go to the feedlot to fatten some more and are killed so we can eat. Has noting to with dogs.

PETA? ( People Eating Tasty Animals ) Even they agree that this is nothing close to hunting and killing a deer.

His NFL career should be over. If a pedophile does his time, do you want him living next to a school that your child attends? I mean he did his time, right? Give him another chance right? Maybe a murderer? I think not.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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While I agree with most of your post, that fact that they were HIS dogs has nothing to do with this case and the LAW. Are you saying that because dogs are PROPERTY, it should be treated as if he broke a stereo? That is PROPERTY as well.

Where the Hitler analogy came from, I have no clue. What Vick did is nothing close as to what that madman did. I don't see him being made out that way in the press.

As for cows being being tortured, and I am not a cowboy, but how are they tortured? They live on the range, go to the feedlot to fatten some more and are killed so we can eat. Has noting to with dogs.

PETA? ( People Eating Tasty Animals ) Even they agree that this is nothing close to hunting and killing a deer.

His NFL career should be over. If a pedophile does his time, do you want him living next to a school that your child attends? I mean he did his time, right? Give him another chance right? Maybe a murderer? I think not.

Puhleez.....
Although he should be banned 1,000 feet from any dog pounds....

 

[Plainsman]

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Puhleez.....
Although he should be banned 1,000 feet from any dog pounds....

Ahhhhh..another great post post form you

If I post padded as much as you haut, I'd have 7,871 posts.

 

[POINTER94]

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Point(s) of clairification:

The Hitler analogy is from the wall to wall, day and night press coverage. This was a guilt by repetition attempt. He may be guilty, but it wasn't for the press to decide, and it really isn't much of a story.

I didn't say cows are tortured, I said they are capable of being tortured just like dogs.

Dogs are property. Just like land, you can't pour dangerous chemicals on them, you can't just strip mine any piece, you can't do lots of things on it.

Pediphile, murderer? How about shoplifter? How about persistant parking violators? His crimes don't rise to the level you want to place him at...