I have the old (1961) cable system steering

ceasarea

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My boat is a 1961 crestliner falcon with a 40hp....it has the original steering which keeps banging against the sides of the boat. I tried wrapping them in hot water insulation foam you get at Home depot.....Is it simply a matter of tightning the wires at the Stern?
 

tx1961whaler

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Pretty much. There should not be enough slack in the wire for it to bang around. Is the spring still there?
 

Woodonglass

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

I have the same steering on my 62' Flamingo and all you need is to make sure your pulley's are all secure, oiled and in good working order, that your springs are in place and then tighten the cables until the springs begin to compress. You will have no more "Slap" in them and your steering will be silky smooth.

I'm just sayin...:D
 

oops!

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

my first boat had cable pulley.....:eek:

i remember being on my back for hours on the lake trying to get it right.......test....take it apart...try again...arrgh.

one of out posters here named tashasdaddy has a great diagramme of how to make it right.
pm him with this link....(dont just ask the question in pm) and im sure he will dig it up for you.
 

ceasarea

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Thanks guys....for all the advice.I do have the original springs in the back ....so it seems i need to oil everything and get more pressure on the springs....it must be too loose.
 

ceasarea

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Is there suppost to be a spring on either side if the transon for tention...I think i only have the one on the right side ?
 

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Alls I can say is the boat I had with cable steering......had one on each side.
 

ceasarea

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

It seems that the cable being used is clothesline...is that the right stuff to use?
 

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

you should have a spring on each side,both even,i use the plastic coated steel core. same as a dog leash run. works well for me
 

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Thanks for the pic.....i think i am using the same stuff...I just need to tighten them up in the spring and make sure i have two springs..There is a constant banging right now..thanks
 

Woodonglass

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

This might benefit your efforts.

(From Glen-L Boat Building 101)

Drum Cable Steering

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Cable steering has been around forever and earned a bad reputation, not without reason. This system operates through cable fastened to a pivoting arm on the rudder or outdrive (or outboard) and sent forward through pulleys to wrap around a drum fastened to the steering wheel. Properly set up, such a system is practical and reliable. Use clothesline rope, awning pulleys, or similar ill thought out replacements in the system and you're not only asking for trouble, you'll have it. [/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The term "cable" refers to the flexible plastic coated steering cable or stainless steel 7 x 19 wire rope typically 5/32" or 5/16" in diameter. At aft terminals the cable is looped through eye straps securely fastened to the hull and held with clamps intended for cable steering systems. [/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Pulleys or sheaves used in cable systems should be approximately 16 times the cable or wire diameter with a 2" minimum and may be fixed or pivoting types. The latter are common for smaller boats and special plastic/stainless steel with attaching eyes are available. Some "head scratching" must be used in planning so that the leads are fair and straight and the cable runs smoothly in the sheaves. Cable running in fixed sheaves must be aligned parallel to the sheave groove. A great stress is applied to the strap or base that attaches the pulley to the boat hull; bolts are preferable with long screws driven into solid wood satisfactory. [/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Cables running between pivoting pulleys may tend to sag or not be in a precise straight line. Special cable guides with metal or plastic surfaces will take care of this problem although it is preferable these be minimal in number or better yet the system arranged so they are not required as they can abrade the cable over a period of time. [/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]A major problem occurs when cables are connected at the tiller; this terminology refers to a tiller on a rudder or the arm that pivots an outboard or outdrive. A straight arm projecting from a pivoting vertical shaft with cables attached as described in the foregoing will have slack in certain sectors of the turning arc. This cannot be tolerated. Special steering tension springs used at the tiller connection (see attachment) will eliminate the slack problem. [/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The steerer with drum attached can be of two types, exposed or behind the dash. The exposed drum for the cable is in front of the dash and is primarily used on small hydroplanes or race class monoplanes. Usually only one coaming pulley sheave per side is required and the entire cable is exposed for easy inspection and maintenance. The tiller cable on either exposed or behind the dash types should be of equal length each side of the drum and wrapped 3 or 4 times around it in opposite directions; check to be sure turning the steering wheel rotates the motor in the proper direction. [/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]D[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]rum cable steering is viable but ONLY when properly installed and maintained. Crude materials and sloppy installation and maintenance can cause steering failure that can result in serious consequences. DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T USE IT. [/FONT][/FONT]​
 

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ceasarea

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Thanks for the pic and info.....I was using clothes line ....and it's obviously the wrong stuff....I will get it replaced in the spring...and get a nice tight fit. I was going nuts with all the banging !
 

Hoggar

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

You can go the the Depot and buy the steel core coated cable dog leash.
You can get it in several colors or just clear.

Aerial Dog Run.

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tgp***

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

I put cable pulley steering back in mine when I re-did my boat, turned out to be easier than I thought. I have springs on both sides and pulleys at the yoke on the connection at the motor. The trick is to get it nice and tight (I used wood clamps to hold the cable at the holes in the transom to keep tension on the cable until I got everything connected. I used a hose clamp to keep the cable tight on the drum until everthing else was connected. Works great, smooth, nice and tight.

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ceasarea

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Re: I have the old (1961) cable system steering

Thanks for the pic and advice....I will do as you say....That should stop the kids from being freaked out with all the banging.
 
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