Water in the intake

Lou C

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And is that water in the bottom of the exhaust gas passage?
 

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Time to Magnaflux the Block, Heads, and Intake if it is Cast Iron.
 

Lou C

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Ok when you took apart the manifold & elbow did you drain the water out of the manifold first? If so then there should not be any water in the exhaust gas passage at all. However if you took it apart without draining the manifold first water could spill over into the exhaust gas passage even if there were no leaks between the elbow & the manifold before.
 

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Ok when you took apart the manifold & elbow did you drain the water out of the manifold first? If so then there should not be any water in the exhaust gas passage at all. However if you took it apart without draining the manifold first water could spill over into the exhaust gas passage even if there were no leaks between the elbow & the manifold before.
Yeah I didn’t drain the water out
 

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You need to understand that water is heavier than oil. You have pumped a mix of water and oil to every bearing in the engine. And as it sits the water settles and displaces any oil on the surface of the bearing surface and then the rust begins..
 

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You need to understand that water is heavier than oil. You have pumped a mix of water and oil to every bearing in the engine. And as it sits the water settles and displaces any oil on the surface of the bearing surface and then the rust begins..
Everything has been drain already wouldn't let it sit lol. But ty.
 

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Yeah I didn’t drain the water out
well in that case, we can't say for sure if the water came from a bad gasket between the manifold and the elbow. Was there obvious rust in that exhaust gas passage meaning that water has been in there for a while?
 

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Everything has been drain already wouldn't let it sit lol. But ty.
You need to understand that water is heavier than oil. You have pumped a mix of water and oil to every bearing in the engine. And as it sits the water settles and displaces any oil on the surface of the bearing surface and then the rust begins..
When I had my head gasket failure the water was in the oil/engine for about a week before I could get the boat off the mooring, though I did drain it out before I hauled it in. After I got it back on land I changed the oil 3 times and drained the engine after each time it was run. When I pulled the cyl heads to do the repair, I removed each lifter to inspect the cam lobes and they looked like new. No real corrosion anywhere that I could find.
As far as the bearings, when I started it up after the repairs, there were no odd bearing noises with the engine under load, oil pressure readings were exactly the same as before, and oil analyses I did after the repair did not show elevated metals suggesting bearing wear.
So if you act quickly, do numerous oil changes AND drain the block each time you MIGHT be able to save it.
BTW the water in mine was SALT water.
Here's a pic with the manifold removed, not much rust there eh?
Only real rust I found was in the cyl head combustion chamber area of the cyls that has water in them. You can see that in the 2nd and 3rd pic.
 

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Erico624

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When I had my head gasket failure the water was in the oil/engine for about a week before I could get the boat off the mooring, though I did drain it out before I hauled it in. After I got it back on land I changed the oil 3 times and drained the engine after each time it was run. When I pulled the cyl heads to do the repair, I removed each lifter to inspect the cam lobes and they looked like new. No real corrosion anywhere that I could find.
As far as the bearings, when I started it up after the repairs, there were no odd bearing noises with the engine under load, oil pressure readings were exactly the same as before, and oil analyses I did after the repair did not show elevated metals suggesting bearing wear.
So if you act quickly, do numerous oil changes AND drain the block each time you MIGHT be able to save it.
BTW the water in mine was SALT water.
Here's a pic with the manifold removed, not much rust there eh?
Only real rust I found was in the cyl head combustion chamber area of the cyls that has water in them. You can see that in the 2nd and 3rd pic.
Thank you. This motor is not in the boat and never made it to the boat. It is on engine roller case.
 

Erico624

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You need to understand that water is heavier than oil. You have pumped a mix of water and oil to every bearing in the engine. And as it sits the water settles and displaces any oil on the surface of the bearing surface and then the rust begins..
Motor was ran out of boat. Never made it to the boat. Just ran out of boat with garden hose suppling the cooling of the water in the engine.
 

Erico624

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When I had my head gasket failure the water was in the oil/engine for about a week before I could get the boat off the mooring, though I did drain it out before I hauled it in. After I got it back on land I changed the oil 3 times and drained the engine after each time it was run. When I pulled the cyl heads to do the repair, I removed each lifter to inspect the cam lobes and they looked like new. No real corrosion anywhere that I could find.
As far as the bearings, when I started it up after the repairs, there were no odd bearing noises with the engine under load, oil pressure readings were exactly the same as before, and oil analyses I did after the repair did not show elevated metals suggesting bearing wear.
So if you act quickly, do numerous oil changes AND drain the block each time you MIGHT be able to save it.
BTW the water in mine was SALT water.
Here's a pic with the manifold removed, not much rust there eh?
Only real rust I found was in the cyl head combustion chamber area of the cyls that has water in them. You can see that in the 2nd and 3rd pic.
Plus everything is new. Never been ran in the water at. Just out of the boat.
 
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