Aussies Show Immigrants & Liberals the Light........

POINTER94

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"We hold these truths to be self evident".

In the words of the day this means "We feel these rights are obvious and any idiot should be able to understand." - paraphrasing 18Rabbit.
 

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"We hold these truths to be self evident".

In the words of the day this means "We feel these rights are obvious and any idiot should be able to understand." - paraphrasing 18Rabbit.

Incidently, those 'rights' were not just 'self evident' for the Yanks. The were a recognition and an expression of the rights of mankind, even for our Aussie, British and Canadian Cousins, whether they choose to acknowledge them or NOT.:p

This was the first country in history to recognize 'self evident' rights. Those of course are recognized to be 'universal' or dare I say 'devine', in nature. All other countries prior, and even most today, have rights that are granted by mortal power. Mortal Power can create and mortal power can take away!
 
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Those are restrictions of freedom. Any and all laws by definition are restrictions of freedom. Sometimes due to peoples inherent irresponsibilty laws are required to ensure others freedoms, like the freedom of others to live (life) regarding in the blood alcohol levels as they pertain to driving.

Not all laws are bad, many are necessary. But make no mistake, laws are a mechanism to restrict freedom. Some people just are not responsible enough to handle it, hence laws.

My comment was in regards to Gods "permission" for us to own guns. God gave us permission by birth, man removes this freedom with laws. Laws are oppressive by design, but not necessarily inherently bad. In our country the right to bear arms is guaranteed. There are some who would like to see this removed, there is a process for this, but most in this crowd are not interested in the "Laws" for changing our laws. Therein lies the problem.

That was really beautiful man.
 

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To whom are you referring, Haut?

I don't see too many people making too much sense here.

Because you are the only one defending political correctness.

That speaks volumes on your interpretations of Australian nationalism, the Constitution or Bill of Rights.
 

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Hmm..
I think I am the only one defending freedom.

You all seem to want to control behavior unnecessarily, in my view.
Seems to me we have plenty of laws on the books already on what a person does, and we don't really need them for how we think.
 

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Hmm..
I think I am the only one defending freedom.

You all seem to want to control behavior unnecessarily, in my view.
Seems to me we have plenty of laws on the books already on what a person does, and we don't really need them for how we think.


PU2

You must feel like a veritable Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson standing at the ramparts against the troglodytes. That's heady stuff, dude.

I'd be interested in your defense on some of these issues in another thread:

legalized pot?
homosexual marriage?
war in Iraq?
who really won the presidential election in "04?
illegal aliens?
get the idea?

On other sites, you would be called a troll.
 

Haut Medoc

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Why because he is not a lock stepper?.....:rolleyes:
 

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a little point about the right to bear arms.....

What right did that guy have to take a gun to a university?

What right did that guy have to take away 32 lives?

How many times does this sort of thing have to happen in the US?
(especialy in schools?????)

This sort of massacre happened once in Australia, by a man by the name of Martin Bryant. As a result the gun laws in Australia were dramaticly changed, and it has not happened again.
 

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He had no right to kill anyone whether he used guns or chewing gum . . . He had no right to kill one let alone 32, what's your point?

There are plenty of gruseome crimes in Australia, I've read your papers. We have 300 Million peeps, you have 20 Million. The math alone says we'll have more murder. I know Aussies with guns? How is that possible?
 

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a little point about the right to bear arms.....

What right did that guy have to take a gun to a university?

What right did that guy have to take away 32 lives?

How many times does this sort of thing have to happen in the US?
(especialy in schools?????)

This sort of massacre happened once in Australia, by a man by the name of Martin Bryant. As a result the gun laws in Australia were dramaticly changed, and it has not happened again.


Help me remember here. Who was it that had a very strong message about trading freedoms and liberty for SECURITY? Don't worry, it'll come to me.
 

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Why because he is not a lock stepper?.....:rolleyes:

No, it's probably because unless you fall "lock-step" with PW's views one is a "paranoid right winger", "writing an incoherent diatribe", or you "don't make sense".

This topic is about a country that is trying to put the brakes on political correctness gone wild.
And the topic has a lot of participation from those that are up to their eye sockets with PC.

Political correctness has gotten to the point of being very counter productive in our society. And it got to that point after first being, expensive, rediculous, devisive, inefficient, and just plain silly.

After all PW has said on this topic, yet is in denial to what PC has evolved to become and the damage it will do where it is headed.

This statement, "Hmm..
I think I am the only one defending freedom.", hardly holds any credibility.
 

Haut Medoc

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I'm not sure how this thread disintegrated in a 'gun fight'......:mad:
The topic was supposed to discuss the benefits of elected officials to say/do what is common sense......
That includes not pandering to every minority group that comes along, pushing their agenda......IMHO.....;)
Skinny, sometimes I agree with PW, sometimes I don't.....​
 

Haut Medoc

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Bad Lark!....Bad!.......:mad:
 

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I'm not sure how this thread disintegrated in a 'gun fight'......:mad:
The topic was supposed to discuss the benefits of elected officials to say/do what is common sense......
That includes not pandering to every minority group that comes along, pushing their agenda......IMHO.....;)
Skinny, sometimes I agree with PW, sometimes I don't.....​

Sorry Haut, maybe my style (or lack of) may give some the impression I'm gritting my teeth while banging away at the keyboard, I don't.

I actually have a very, very good time here and enjoy the company, PW included. I agree with him more on various issues than he cares to realize.
 

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Sorry Haut, maybe my style (or lack of) may give some the impression I'm gritting my teeth while banging away at the keyboard, I don't.

I actually have a very, very good time here and enjoy the company, PW included. I agree with him more on various issues than he cares to realize.

Wow Skinny, I think you are right of me, (from your posts anyway), I wonder what PW2 has ever said that you agree with? I also enjoy the company as you and 12Footer, n' Boom et al to the right of me and Rolmops, PW2 et al on the left n' QC, Bro Haut et al in orbit above, n' Rubber comming from every cornceivable position: all of you make things very interesting here on DC!
 

Haut Medoc

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Bro Haut et al in orbit above.....


Does that make my "position"......'Lofty?'

:D :D
 

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Wow Skinny, I think you are right of me, (from your posts anyway), I wonder what PW2 has ever said that you agree with? I also enjoy the company as you and 12Footer, n' Boom et al to the right of me and Rolmops, PW2 et al on the left n' QC, Bro Haut et al in orbit above, n' Rubber comming from every cornceivable position: all of you make things very interesting here on DC!

A few things comes to mind.
I think we agree on a conservative domestic energy policy.

I agree with PW that we should have stayed primarily in Afganistan, crushed all opposition there and likely have caught Bin Laudin in the process. Rather than effecting a civil war we can't contain in a country we had sufficiently contained before.

We both agree that this administration is incompetent and we both abhor Neo-Cons.
We start to differ quickly from there though since he seems to support incompetent liberals and competent socialists.
 

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Bro Haut et al in orbit above.....


Does that make my "position"......'Lofty?'

:D :D

Sometimes, and unpredictable as you pull chains as much as you are serious, so it is hard, (at least for me), to know your unvarnished feelings, as opposed to fallin' into yer various traps you use from time to time. Are you actually a "Libertarian", (many of yer 'stated' views here on DC are the opposite of the Libertarian positions)? That said: it could be a chain pullin' exercise too, jus' to cornfust ol' Murky n' the rest of us. 'Course I am limited by the fact that I only have one cell, n' you like to trick yer slow Bro from time to time. JR :D :D
 

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A few things comes to mind.
I think we agree on a conservative domestic energy policy.

Hmmmmmm, Guess I don't remember PW2's position. He usually favors bulking up the government to force the private sector to follow orders from central command.

I agree with PW that we should have stayed primarily in Afganistan, crushed all opposition there and likely have caught Bin Laudin in the process.

This goofy position does come from some in the hard Right camp as well as the Left. The domestic Democrats, MSM and most the World are hung up on this totally missinformed and irrational position. Usually people from the right are 'relatively' rational and think through their positions, (based on historical facts and practical cornsiderations). Please tell me what difference it would make if we elliminated every living thing in Afganistan on 9/12/2001? Do you really think in your wildest dreams that we would not still have Islamo Facists killing people all over the world to further their Islamic adgenda to dominate the world? Islam, (submission), has not changed since the seventh century. It has always been the most aggressive and militant major religion, with a clearly stated goal of world domination largly by military means. Afganistan is one of the most worthless places on earth. It has very little natural resources that the rest of the world wants: except opium. It is land locked and we need permission from other countries to make War there. The Soviets had a very imposing military in 1979 and they operated from their own territory and could not put Afganistan down. Why would you spend more of our precious resources on that place; other then to hurt us by draining our resources and tying us down in a God forsaken place far from anywhere of value, (which seems to be the reason the Left wants us to persue worthless and irrational goals with our military over the years)? If the bad guys can't regroup and train there, and project their power: outside that worthless country; AS IS THE CASE SINCE WE BROUGHT DOWN THE TALIBAN, why would you want to waste more US money and lives? :p

Rather than effecting a civil war we can't contain in a country we had sufficiently contained before.

Valid difference of opinion here. Some: like you would apparently be totally comfortable with the UN criminal syndicate that enriched the Russians and the French with oil for food money. The largest financial scandle in the history of the world: no less. Sadam corntrolled the above mentioned syndicate, the Pakistanis were helping Libya as well as North Korea with their nuclear program. A nuclear Libya would be no corncern for you? You did not apparently mind the fact that Sadam openly and very notoriously supported terriorism, $25,000.00 payments to families of successfull bombers that killed children. Even though he was shooting at our planes nearly every day, (against the terms of his surrender in the 1991 War), he may not have been able to reconstitute his weapons programs. He also had not attacked a neighbor since 1990, so we can agree to dissagree here. I think the move into Iraq (supported by the oportunistic domestic Democrats) was and remains a valid move against radical Islam. That said: that is my opionion and some like you would have been quite satisfied with the status quo. We can agree to dissagree here.

We both agree that this administration is incompetent and we both abhor Neo-Cons.

Opinions are opinions, everyone has 'em.

We start to differ quickly from there though since he seems to support incompetent liberals and competent socialists.

Hey Skinny: thanks for the reply, I guess you do agree with some of PW2's irrational and missinformed positions, and that is your purview. I think it is a little misguided but maybe that is just me that is the misguided one, (only a single brain cell n' all). Respectfully JR Sorry for the off topic rant.
 
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