Yamaha I/O

BlazenBy13

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I have 1990 commander 22ft cuddy, with a 350 I/O with a Yamaha out drive. I cannot get the boat to go to wide open throttle. I get to about 30mph and it seems as though it hits a rev limiter. I have changed props, new plugs, checked the vacuum secondaries. Nothing fixes it. It only gets to 2500rpm when it cuts out. I was told that it has a rev limiter but no one knows where it is. Is there away to adjust it on this boat. Any help would be great
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Don S

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Re: Yamaha I/O

I doubt your engine has a rev limiter, unless it's an EFI. Below is a list of possible causes of low WOT (Wide Open Throttle).
Hopefully Capt. Ken sees this thread and can help out with the rev limiter question.


Engine Won't Reach Operating RPM. Check

  • Fuel condition. Type and Octane possibly old fuel
  • Propeller pitch or diameter, damaged blades
  • Restricted fuel pickup tube or anti siphon valve Fuel System Test
  • Crankcase oil volume, high oil level can cause aerated oil and lifter collapse
  • Marine growth on hull and outdrive
  • Wrong gear ratio in outdrive
  • Restricted carburetor air intake (clogged flame arrestor)
  • Restricted exhaust system (broken exhaust shutters/flappers) in engine transom shield or drive
  • Poor cylinder compression Compression Test
  • Carburetor defective, or wrong type.
  • Fuel pump pressure and vacuum
  • Boat overloaded, improperly loaded, or improperly trimmed.
  • Engine Overheating
  • Engine timing and ignition system operation
  • Remote control cables and linkage for proper travel to open throttle plates fully.
 

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Re: Yamaha I/O

I noticed that at 2500 rpm the oil pressure reads about 80psi. On the gauge it reads almost pegged out.
 

Capt Ken

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If it is the YEMS, it has a limiter in the computer. But you should be getting an alarm or something flashing on the dash if it is tripped.
 

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I had the same problem -- and it cost me a fortune because no one knows how to work on the Yamaha sterndrive any more. The problem is caused by a bad trim limiter (assuming you have a YEMS). It is a three wire sender located above the pivot pin on the starboard side of the gimbal housing. The YEMS is set up so that if you have the drive lifted too high the computer will limit rpm to a max of 2400 to 2500 regardless of how far you try to open the throttle. The problem is that the sender can fail in a way that the computer believes that the drive is lifted too high regardless of its position.

I was ripped-off to the tune of over a thousand dollars by an "authorized Yamaha dealer" for a new carb, new plugs and wires, general tune up, etc. without ever curing the problem. I found out about the sender failure by reading lots of posts on different forums and finally getting a manual from a failed marina. Go to the Yamaha website and you will find that they still post pdf's with sterndrive part numbers. I believe that the sender is 6T4-83672-00-00. I paid about $100 for a replace (if memory serves me right). Perhaps Capt Ken has one or can order one. What is the price Capt?
 

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Celeb, That makes a lot of sense. I had replaced the trim pump here recently. I will talk with my mechanic tomorrow and see if he can fix it. If he wont maybe Someone could tell me how to replace it. Every now and again you can hear a random chirp that sounds like maybe its coming from the out drive. It doesnt do it all the time and its not very loud so its hard to tell where its coming from. Also does anyone know what the correct rpm range should be? How about oil pressure reading. Any help would be great.
 

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One more question. Does this drive have a trim lock? I noticed that when I trim it all the way up it doesnt want to come back down but if I crack the line on the pump it will release it. who knows????? Im not really worried about it because it sits in a slip, but I will put it in dry storage this winter. :confused:
 

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I think I saw a limit switch on the upstairs shelf the other day. Haven't check to see if they are still available because I'm PO'ed with the new parts system Yamaha changed over to. Doesn't work half the time, didn't send me all the disks and it takes forever to switch between screens. Started to just stay with the old system and pay them for the access codes but Yamaha won't let you drop their system so I'd be paying monthly for two systems.
 

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Let me know if you have one and how much it is. and how long before you could ship it to me thanks
 

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Hi. I hope the good Capt has a sender for you. As for the installation, it is not a big deal if you are at all handy with wrenches and screw drivers. If you look at the inside of the transom directly behind the engine and just below the steering mechanism, you'll see the speedometer hose and a jacketed wire cable exiting through a plate. The plate is held by two bolts. If you can see the plate and if you can get a wrench on the bolts, you can install the new sender. The plate clamps rubber-like tapered washers around the speedo hose and cable so that you don't get leaks around those items. You have to remove that plate and remove the "washer" from the electric cable. The cable will be pulled through the transom from the outside once you unscrew the sender from the drive. You'll have to turn the drive to the extreme port side so that you can reach inside the gimbal housing to remove a clamp holding the sender cable --small hands and a small wrench help out on this one but you can do it even if ham fisted. Once the clamp is removed and the sender is free, just pull the cable through the transom. Reverse the procedure and connect the new sender to the harness -- match the color codes on the wires and the connectors are also keyed (hard to make a mistake here). Now -- there is a procedure to "initalize" the sender to the computer. If you get a sender and decide to do the job yourself, post again and I'll send you the pages from the manual that tell you how to do the initialization. Capt Ken may know how to do it but I doubt that you will find any marina mechanic that knows how or who would bother to get the info to do so. Good luck and keep in contact with the Capt -- if you keep the Yamaha setup (and it is a great setup once running and maintained) you will need him for parts and advice.
 

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Thanks Celeb for the info. I have a buddy that works here at a local marina. He is good at Mercs and anything other than yamaha. He just doesnt have any experience with this set-up. I think with me there and the information that has been provided, I am pretty sure that we can get it to work. I will need the manual pages for the set up of the switch. If its not to much trouble. I called around today looking for the switch and everyone I talked to said that it will take 2 wks until I get it, because it is coming from Japan. Maybe the cpt has one for me and can get it here a little sooner. We'll see. I want to get it right before I store it for the winter. Not to much longer.
 

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OK, now for twenty questions!!

Is it the YEMS model or the EST. EST has a distributor and YEMS has a big black module over where the distributor is.
If EST, there is no rev limiter.
If YEMS, there is and the trim sender on the gimbal ring sends the information to the Trim Control Unit located just in front of the starboard riser. That device trips the rev limiter. But the digital trim gauge should be flashing if it is tripped. The control unit is no longer available from Yamaha but I have one upstair. The sender on the gimbal ring is available but in Japan and usually doesn't take more than three or four days to get here. That's unless its on the Fedex plane that Tom Hanks crashes in and is marooned on an island for many years.
 

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Hello Blazenby -- sorry but I've spent the better part of 2 hours trying to get my scanner to work. It was OK last week but since then I got an "automatic update" from good ol' microSHAFT. This will be the third time an auto update has wiped out connectivity to my peripherals. Anyway, unless you can wait for me to straighten out this latest mess, send me a PM with a fax number and I'll fax the pages to you.
 

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Cpt. I believe that it is the YEMS. The Digital trim Gauge is Flashing. What would it cost for just the T.C.U.?
Celeb. I cant wait for you. I dont have any parts yet to fix it, so U have time. I knw the feeling of stuff working when it wants to.
 

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Blazenby - four pages scanned and saved as pdf's for you but I can't send them via the forum since the file size is over 77kb and the forum has a limit of less than 20kb. Send me a PM with your direct email and I'll send them to you.
 

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If it's electrical then you can trick it out so the computer gets the signal that everything is ok for 2500 rpm + operation and save your hundred bucks.

You'll need the schematic and someone who can read it. Best of Luck.




Enjoy
 

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Check Celeb 92's information. Could be explained there.
 
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