Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

huanca

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Yamaha 140 BET 4 cyls 140 HP outboard, premix, 6 x 3 months seasons insalt water (aprox 300 hours). Off seasons I run it weekly for 15 minutes with the garden hose and muffs.<br /><br />Last year it started overheating past 4000 RPMs, sometimes: pressure would climb up to 20 psi and suddenly start to drop to 2 or 4 psi. Took it to idle and restarted and sometimes it would stay OK at around 16 psi, others it would go down again to 2 or 4 psi. Apart from that, never a problem. <br /><br />Spark plugs and lower unit oil changed twice a year. Always started (except for a bad battery once which cured it for good). Impeller changed once every 2 years, and greasing points relubed yearly.<br /><br />Last week I changed the impeller, head gaskets, cylinder zincs, Tstats, and removed some sand and salt from head cover, around cylinders, Tstat housings and everywhere I could reach with a wire or hose. Flushed it several times and to the ocean. Ran this weekend OK upto 4,000 RPMs no problem. At idle in less than 10 seconds pressure climbs to 6 or 8 psi. At 4000 RPM pressure upto 16 psi, after 10 seconds or maybe 20, pressure slides down to 2 or 4 psi and temperature starts to rise. I think it used to go higher to approximately 20 psi before. Tell tale shows a good??? stream of water. Tried replicating this in neutral with no success and the water pressure will rise above 20 psi at over 4500 RPMS in neutral and stays there. Been able to replicate the problem reliably this weekend while in gear. My idea is that the poppet valve spring is weak (salt water, 6 years) and running at speed creates a vaccum which aids the poppet valve opening. Since this vacuum is not present at idle, I cannot replicate this in neutral.<br /><br />I will try to open the poppet valve with water pressure and a gage to see what readings I get.<br /><br />Can anyone confirm these ideas for me?<br /><br />Can anyone confirm how the poppet valve should be placed: long end towards the engine or short end towards the engine?<br /><br />Thanks
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

Moving to Yamaha Troubles.
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

remove the rubber valve grommet. carefully claen the pocket with a pick or 12 GA shotgun cleaning brus. the tapered side of the plastic valve goes towards the NEW grommet.<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

Rodbolt, just checked everything and you were right in a prior quote:<br />"hello well double check the impeller. we had some problems with the rubber becoming unbonded from the hub on a few. if your hub is white plastic toss it in the trash.. "<br />The impeller had less than 2 hours on it and the hub had sheared from the plastic holding the vanes together. Looking through my notes, the same had happened to the original impeller but after 3 seasons! Changed it and will try it tomorrow. Will post pictures of the unbonded hub and post em. Waiting for the new grommet, spring and poppet valve anyway which has been delayed due the hurricane in FL. Thanks for the help :)
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rodbolt

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

cool<br /> some of the impellers were junk. it disapointed me that yamaha swept it under the rug but I guess all the corperations do. our replacemnts are black plastic hubs now. I have seen the failure in motors with less than ten hours<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

Don't wanna start a new topic for dumb question - but what is function of the poppet valve? - all the other cooling system conponents are the same as a car, but I don't understand the "pressure relief valve" function. Manual not good on theory.
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

the function is to maintain block pressure to insure all voids are filled. the pump is actually a two stage design. at low speeds its a positive displacement and at high speeds its a centrifical. the pump is cabeable of quite a bit of pressure. more than the engineers wanted for the application. so the pressure relief valve maintains presssure even though the t-stats are opening and closing the poppet acts as a pressure regulator.<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

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Re: Yamaha 140 water pressure drops. Poppet Valve?

replaced the sheared impeller and tested today. 12 psi at start up and idling in neutral. 20 to 24 psi at throttle up when popppet valve takes over and reduces pressure to 18 to 20 psi in less than 5 seconds: running like new where it stays. thanks to all for their valuable help :)
 
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