WOT timing.

Fiddlefire

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I just tried to observe my timing on my motor and assuming that the #1 cylinder on a 1976 70EL76 motor is on the bottom. #1-2-3 goes from bottom up. If so, she is reading 13 with the timing light and the motor says 17 degrees. If this is correct, I have a lot more questions with the problem of this motor because she is dead on. Verify this and I will write a chapter on what I have been through with this motor and where to go next. Getting pretty frustrated.
 

Fiddlefire

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Okay, interesting I was getting a good reading on cylinder #3 I guess. That's why I thought that it was the bottom. My bad.I couldn't even see a timing mark on #1 Could it be that it's that far off? Could someone have set the timing to the wrong cylinder? This is the way that I got the motor.
 

Joe Reeves

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Start with the basics..... Compression: What are the psi readings of all individual cylinders? Ignition: With "all" spark plugs removed, the spark should jump a 7/16" 'Air Gap" with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP! Does it?
 

Fiddlefire

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Hi Joe, I'm glad that you chimed in. I am way past the basics with this motor. I'm going to have to start from the top!
Started the motor running on ear muffs and found the motor running erratically and then noticed that the fuel pump leaking. I replaced that with all of the fuel lines and all the way back to the tank and new fuel tank as well. The motor would run but only at high RPM's without coming down to idle with the remote unit but by moving the spark advance down by hand. I took the air box off of the carbs and there was a broken vacuum line going from the intake to the silencer box. I replaced it. After going nowhere I then decided to rebuild all 3 carburetors with rebuild kits and was not a hard task including soaking all 3 carbs in gum out for 24 hours before reassembly and blowing compressed air through all of the parts.I felt that there was some issue with the way the throttle linkage was set up and you sent me the linkage set up. I set the entire thing up per instruction and it seemed to straighten out the idle problem. Things seemed to be improving. And oh yes as a recommendation of this sight I did a compression test on all 3 cylinders and it was good, 115 to 120. I did a spark test but didn't realize until seeing a comment about measuring a 7/16th spark. The tester I have is adjustable. I think I was pretty close to that but need to recheck. I also did replace the #2 coil because the spark plug wire would not stay in place. Last but not least I went to check the timing with the WOT process that I also got from you and here where my results. I hooked the timing light with spark tester to #1 cylinder and could not see see the timing mark. Just for grins and giggles I then hooked the timing light up to the bottom (#3 cylinder) and got the correct timing reading. This really confused me making me think that the bottom cylinder was #1 and of course it is not. So my big question at this point is it possible that someone threw the timing off far enough to where it is reading that way on #3 instead of #1?? What got me to the point of a timing issue was that I thought that the motor was running much better after all before checking timing that I put the boat in the water, Start it up and she would run until put into gear forward or reverse and she would just bog down and stall. As well, if the timing is the issue and needs readjustment, is there a separate timing adjustment because I cant find an adjustment or is that all together in the throttle linkage adjustment. I know it's a lot. I think that the the guy before me put a lot of things out of wack.
Hope that you can set me straight!
 

Joe Reeves

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The full throttle, full spark advance adjustment is the screw with the rubber cap attached to its head portion that the timing base hits as it rotates and can go no further.

The idle timing is simply what should show up on the flywheel with the timing light when the scribe mark of the cam is dead center with the throttle roller. If it doesn't, I can only surmise that the measurement is not correct between the vertical throttle lever and the cam yoke.
 

jakedaawg

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Apologies for butting in here...

What color stripe is on the orange wire going to the top cylinders coil?
 

Fiddlefire

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Hey Joe, I think that I made some progress. I re checked the spark with the tester as I stated and it is perfect on all cylinders. I then re checked the WOT. My Remote cable system needs grease or a good talking to. Once I jammed her up to full throttle the WOT was dead on. I then decided to start the motor up and played around with the throttle adjustments and got it running seemingly better. I will look closer to that cam adjustment tomorrow and I think that we are getting closer. This is the most I have ever dived into an outboard with past automotive experience. I will give you a full report but this is starting to add up. I will let you know the outcome.
Thanks!
 

Fiddlefire

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Hey Jake daawg, I see what you are asking and relative to getting good values on wrong cylinder. Great catch but seems that remote cable box was not giving me full throttle. Thanks bro!
 
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