Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

skid_pl8

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I have never owned a boat before, only stand up jetski's. We decided we want a boat to take out to play with the family. Today I went to look at a 1979 bayliner mutiny 17' with the 4 cylinder volvo i/o in it. The price is right and it is in good condition. My question is if it will be able to comfortably pull skiers and wakeboarders? I don't expect it to be a very fast boat, just want to know if it should come out of the hole fast enough and have enough topend to do those 2 things.
 

642mx

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

To pull wakeboarders and skiers you will be better off with a V6.
 

AguaSki

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

You should be able to pull skiers and wakeboarders, but don't expect much. Slalom skiing could be challenging, but two skies or a wakeboard should work. A V6 would be better, and a V8 would be optimal. If you are doing water sports, you may find yourself wanting more power after a few months of owning the boat. If you buy more power now, then you are less likely to find yourself boat shopping again. Bayliner's also draw a lot of criticism on this board, and most of it is well founded.
 

david3045

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

If all you are looking for is to have some lake time with the family a couple of times a month then that boat will be fine. If you were hard core wakeboarders or skiers then something a little more powerful may be in order but it doesn't sound like that. Don't break the bank, stay within your means and have fun! If you really want to have some fun with any size boat, buy a hydrofoil. No drag at all.
 

skid_pl8

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

I would love to have a big V8 but I don't have the spare cash to go out and buy one at this point. Right now it is this or nothing because the boat is coming from a friend that is going to let me pay for it a little at a time. I am pretty athletic and no stranger to the water so I am sure I will want more pulling me once I get used to wakeboarding. Most of the time it will be just a family fun boat though. We had always ridden standup jetskis but now I have a daughter that is 16 months and I would like to get a boat so I can get her out on the water with us. Anyone mind filling me in on why the people don't like bayliners? Anything specific I should look out for with the bayliner? About all I know to check for is that the floor is solid, the oil isn't milky, and that it runs well in the water. Thanks for the help guys.
 

bhammer

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Skid, welcome to iBoats. You will get all the info and then some from hear. You should be fine with the 4 banger. If you find tat you need more pulling power for skiing, you can always drop down a couple prop pitches and keep an eye on WOT.

As for Bayliners, they had issues with rotten floors, rotten stringers and rotten transom. You need to thorughly check all these out before buying our you will be back asking how to replace all these. IMHO, I don't think that it was the boat manufacturer as it was the buyer. They were entry level boats and I think those buyers didn't / couldn't properly maintain them. I know several people who owned them and thought engine and lower unit oil was like a car; change it at 3000 miles. :mad: In one case, there was a newley married couple I used to frequent the lake with and he had never changed any oil or winterized it. He was lucky for 8 years but I'd never want to own the boat. He also left it uncovered sitting in an aparment complex and his thought was that it gets wet at the lake.

Get the boat checked out by a survayor or you can look at the lower unit oil, compression check, engin oil, use and awl and poke around on the transom and floor. Always take it for a sea trial. And, I never like buying things from friends or coworkers. Just too easy for something to go wrong and end the relationship. I have in the past (not a boat)and to keep the peace / friendship, have let things slide.
 

PowerAddict

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

I can pull up 200lb skiers with 3 other people in the boat no problem w/ my 4cyl mercruiser in a 16' boat. Its not a speed demon, but it does what we need it to. Not to mention, it does amazing on gas, which is really nice right now. You might want more power, v8 boats are pretty B.A., but I think you'd be satisfied for awhile IMO.
 

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Skid, welcome to iBoats. You will get all the info and then some from hear. You should be fine with the 4 banger. If you find tat you need more pulling power for skiing, you can always drop down a couple prop pitches and keep an eye on WOT.

As for Bayliners, they had issues with rotten floors, rotten stringers and rotten transom. You need to thorughly check all these out before buying our you will be back asking how to replace all these. IMHO, I don't think that it was the boat manufacturer as it was the buyer. They were entry level boats and I think those buyers didn't / couldn't properly maintain them. I know several people who owned them and thought engine and lower unit oil was like a car; change it at 3000 miles. :mad: In one case, there was a newley married couple I used to frequent the lake with and he had never changed any oil or winterized it. He was lucky for 8 years but I'd never want to own the boat. He also left it uncovered sitting in an aparment complex and his thought was that it gets wet at the lake.

Get the boat checked out by a survayor or you can look at the lower unit oil, compression check, engin oil, use and awl and poke around on the transom and floor. Always take it for a sea trial. And, I never like buying things from friends or coworkers. Just too easy for something to go wrong and end the relationship. I have in the past (not a boat)and to keep the peace / friendship, have let things slide.


this is a good post.....^^^^^^^^

welcome to i boats......

being a 79 bayliner,,,,and you being a first time boat buyer.....

you NEED a marine surveyor......
there is a 99% chance the transom/ stringers and the floor are rotten...

even tho the boat floats and runs well, there is a very good chance the boat is unsafe...

if you hire a marine surveyor....you can really dodge a bullett.....
there is a great many boats for sale right now......look around.
if you spend time reading here..(on the i boatsd forums...it will help you tons...search ...read...read....then enjoy!

cheers
oops
 

marine4003

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

As stated above,the motor will pull up a ski,if she has trouble getting on plane with a skier in tow change out the prop for a 4 blade w/ alot of cup,it will decrease the top end speed but will allow for alot of torque out of the hole.There are also links to prop shops that allow you to try a new prop before you buy one..the cost in minimal.
If your new boat checks out,and you do buy it...Take care of her,lack of proper maintainance is what leads to boats having a bad name.
After i use the boat for the day..and put her on the trailer...I ALWAYS do the following:
Completely wash boat(with drain plug removed)
Completely dry boat
Open all lockers/hatches ect..allow to dry
Check engine fluids/belts/hoses/separators/filters - fill-replace if needed
(I do this 'cause in anticipation of going out the next time i might overlook doing it.)
In general..as it was stated above.bad boats only get that way due to owner negligence.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

due yourself a favor and buy the right boat the first time. 4.6L V6 minimum.
 

skid_pl8

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

I do know a bit about boats, wasn't sure how to check the transom though, will do that the day we check it out at the lake. I read on here a good way was to tap it with the wooden handle of a hammer and listen to see if it makes a crack or thud, should that give me a good idea? The floor did rot on this boat and has been replaced as well as the carpet. The seats will probably need reupholstered in a season or two but they are not cracked or anything yet. What is the stinger and how can I check it?

I am really just looking at this boat for a small investment for this summer to have some fun on. If it doesn't work out then we won't have a boat for this summer, just our standup ski's. I won't hesitate to walk away from the deal if it turns out I find anything wrong though. If it does work out I will probably redo the seats and make it look nice over the winter then try to sell it next summer and buy something bigger. Will be in a lot better position by then to do that because if I have a boat I won't mind selling the jet ski's and once I have that done I can sell the boat, then put all that money into a bigger nicer boat.
 

2kwik4u

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

due yourself a favor and buy the right boat the first time. 4.6L V6 minimum.

Post like this aggravate the hell out of me. I don't mean to unload on you personally, but here it comes.

The 4cyl motor is just fine for watersports. He's not going to be doing anyone any favors by getting the V6 as a "minimum". His checkbook will be lighter with no appreciable gains in capability. I think my 3.0L runs in decent condition. I can easily pull a 220lb slalom skier out of a deep water start with 3-4 other people in the boat with me. I run a 19Pp Stainless 3-blade prop, I'm sure if I swapped to a 5-blade 18p prop I'd drop a couple MPH, but have enough grunt to yank the rope out of the skier's hands without judicious use of the throttle. I can already yank the rope out of someones hands without a progressive lean into WOT.

Please people stop telling everyone that they are going to hate their boats if they get a 3.0L. If you want to warn against the 3.0L by conveying your personal experience with purchasing and then regretting the 4cyl, fine. However, I'll ask that you stop perpetuating rumors that the 4cyl is a useless engine for watersports.
 

country_bumpkin

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

My 4 cylinder did just fine pulling 2 skis, tubes, kneeboard. Starting on 1 ski was more of a challenge.

Oh, but that's right, it did bust! :)
 

tommays

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Well it is NOT a 3.0 GM it is and OLD Volvo with part prices that will break your heart and the fact that many shops will not service really old stuff :rolleyes:


And i DO own a 19' 3.0 powered boat ;) and while it can do watersports it hardly excels at it
 

skid_pl8

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Shops won't service old boats? I usually just do all service myself on anything I own anyway so that doesn't really factor in for me, but that is definitely good information to give people considering purchasing an older boat. Hopefully I can get my hands on a shop manual of some kind for the boat and then I have no worries. Have rebuilt motors top to bottom in cars, skis, and bikes so have no doubt that I can work on this one as well if it is ever needed.

Tommays you might not realize it but some people simply can't afford to get a bigger better boat from the start. We are a young family and only have so much money that can be put toward toys, right now this is as good as it gets. To me this is the first step toward times spent boating with my family instead of jetski'ing seperately, and being able to include my daughter. After reading the responses here I have no doubt this boat will do what I need it to do.
 

bhammer

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

I read on here a good way was to tap it with the wooden handle of a hammer and listen to see if it makes a crack or thud, should that give me a good idea? The floor did rot on this boat and has been replaced as well as the carpet.


Skid, I hate to see you buy a boat and find out it has more rot than you could find. Yes, the hammer is a good way to tell as well as an awl and poke the transom on the inside of the boat. If the awl goes into the wood, it is rotten. You can also just look at it and sometimes, you will see what looks like rot and touch it and the wood just falls to the floor.

You said the deck was replaced. In my book, this is a BIG warning flag. With many boats, not just BL, when the floor has been rotten in the past, there is more. The stringers are what run the length of the boat, provide much of the hull stability and what the floor is fastened too. Other than drilling holes in them, there isn't any real way to tell and I don;t think your seller will allow that.

I don't know your budget but right now is a great time to be buying boats and there are many good deals out here. If you find that you want / have to buy this boat, we will be here for any help. You may get the "I Told You So" but you will get help. And, if you pass, we will be here to help with any other boats you find interest in.

Now for a side note, I helped in a recovery of a family a few years back as a direct result of rotten wood. The long story is that the owner power backed off the trailer and cracked the transom (he heard it but didn't know it at the time) then picked up the wife and kids and powered out of the no wake. When he did, the engine came out of the mounts and the engine climbed up into the boat a little. This took the rest of the transom and you can get the picture from there. It wasn't a BL and it was this families second trip in the boat. When we all got the boat to the shore, you could literally pull wood out of the stringers and make it into paper it was so wet and rotten.

I have to say that I have no issues against BL. I helped a buddy buy one a year ago. The difference was, it was garage kept it's entire life and the retired couple had every receipt and maintenance record for it. It is, still to this day, they best looking and taken care of boat I have come across that is older than 20.
 

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

We are a young family and only have so much money that can be put toward toys, right now this is as good as it gets. To me this is the first step toward times spent boating with my family instead of jetski'ing seperately, and being able to include my daughter.

Skid, you are making the right decision to stay within your means and I applaud you for that. That is why boats are so plentifull right now as many get repossed becasue people can't afford the upkeep on them.

Just head the advice of me and many; on the older boats, always get a survay or the price of an old used boat could well cost you more in a short amount of time, than a newer better boat. Take this from soemone who has been there before. And, don't tell anyone, but I may have been there more than once. :D
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

2kwik4u, sorry to offend you, but after 45 years of boating, still skiing, i give the best advice, i know. he will be looking for a more powerful boat with in 2 years. that is my opinion, and i stand behind it. why go thru the trouble of trying to sell a boat and find another.
 

tommays

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Well my new boat is a 1995 3.0 which should be able to be found in good shape at a decent price with compleat parts and service easy to get a decent prices


My old boat is a 1981 J24 as it is the most sailboat i can afford so even at 52 years old we all have budgets to keep ;)


That being said look at the prices on a few old Volvo parts from that motor
 

fixb52s

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Re: Will it pull skiers and wakeboarders?

Checking out a boat is an extremely challanging thing to do. I first thought my boat was in good shape because the deck (floor) was solid and had new carpet, but after bringing it home and poking around, I found a pile that I had to totally rebuild. I have since learned what to look for.​

First, the owner said the deck was replaced and new carpet was installed. Fine and dandy, but this doesn't mean anything unless it was properly done. Most people will lay new plywood over a bad base (some might cut the old deck out, most don't) and glue on carpet, calling it good. Not good because a deck is actually a structurally part of the boat. They should be attached to the stringers (glued or mechanically via screws) and bonded to the sides of the hull. One good way to check this is to look under the rear seat and see if the deck is the same height as the main area. Most quick repairs will replace the ply over the "seen" areas and not the hard to reach areas. Look in the ski locker or anywhere there might be hatches or accrss panels. Look around the helm to see if wood was just cut around it. You should be able to tell how the deck was done. One quick way to tell if the deck is decent is to check the center windshield if it is a bowrider. If the glass will not properly close, chances are good the deck is sagging under the helm due to rot.​

The stringers are long beams of either plywood or foam (wood in that Bayliner) that are bonded to the bottom of the hull and fiberglassed over. What happens to these is water gets through the glass to the wood, and rots them out. If the deck was rotted, then there is a 9 in 10 chance the stringers are also rotted. Checking them is difficult. One way is to access one (in the engine compartment or ski locker) and drill a few test holes through the fiberglass to the inner wood. If the shavings come out dark and/or wet, the stringers are bad. Since most people will not allow you to drill into their boat, you really cannot check it properly. You can take a hammer to the stringers and listen for a hollow sound. If they sound hollow, then the wood is gone. This is the same way to check the transom.​

I would ask the owner of this boat you are looking at some hard questions about how it was repaired. See if he has any photos of the work in progress. You don't want a boat that will fall apart within a year or two.​

I went through all of this. I found the rot and saw the deck was not properly installed. I ended up tearing it all out and replacing it all with a lot of help from the folks in the restoration forum. To do the proper repairs takes a lot of time and money.​

Oh yea, my 17 ft Chris Craft with a 3.0 pulls skiers and tubes all day. Sure, a V8 and a larger hull would be the best bet for serious wakeboarding, but this one is working very well.​
 

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