Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

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I thought it would be interesting to have a boxer engine in a boat with direct drive. Then have an internal cooling system that runs along the prop shaft to cool the engine?


Remove winterizing, bellows, and that annoying large engine box. Kill a flock with one stone :)

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

Boating industry runs about 25-30 years behind automotive. Check back in 10 or 15 years.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I thought it would be interesting to have a boxer engine in a boat with direct drive. Then have an internal cooling system that runs along the prop shaft to cool the engine?


Remove winterizing, bellows, and that annoying large engine box. Kill a flock with one stone :)

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Ayuh,.... While underpowered, 'n not the Best suited to what We do,...
With the necessary propshaft angles, you'd still have a motorbox...
You'd need water cooled manifolds, that don't exist...

It's Still a water cooled motor, 'n it'd Still need to be Winterized...
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I suspect it's because nobody makes a big one, except Lycoming and Continental, and those are air cooled and not cheap. What's the biggest Subaru engine? A 3.6 liter? I can't think of any other boxers except perhaps the biggest Porsche (and I doubt they ever made any boxer much bigger than 3.6 liters either). 3.6 liters isn't exactly going to light the marine power world on fire...

What would you do about reverse and neutral? Who would make the water-cooled exhaust system (probably the biggest expense)?
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

By "Boxer engine" I presume we are talking a Subaru engine. First, they are mostly aluminum, which doesn't last as long in an inboard situation. That engine may not have enough torque to do well (I really have no idea about that - just a guess). As has been said, marine conversion parts aren't available.
-- Any inboard can be set up with keel cooling , and if running a dry stack there is nothing to 'winterize'.
 

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Is the OP positing that the flat boxer engine would sit much higher in the engine bay, thus allowing cooling water to flow downward, which alleviates the need to drain the engine, much as outboards do? Meh - ain't feeling it.

People have stuck rotary engines in boats. Jet engines can be found, too. You could jam anything in there you want, but for general-purpose boating, from fishing, skiing to running about, the venerable cast iron American engines with long blood lines have proven hard to beat for simplicity, durability, cost of production, ubiquity of parts/service and torque.

Yamaha and their Waverunner tech engines, now found in their sport boats, are able to make a game of it, usually when running their twins vs a single GM engine. All you need, see, is a massive company with proven, modern technology and to double the engine hardware and you can challenge 50-year old technology up to 50 MPH.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I should have elaborated a bit, sure as Philster said, you COULD run any sort of engine. Chris Craft even offered gad tubines in a sport fisherman in the early 70's.
 

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turbines to speed! cool. I'd love to fire up the turbines at the dock. although, the other folks on the water may not be crazy about the noise. seems like it would be loud, but super cool nonetheless.

has anyone ever made rotary (a.k.a. "wankle engine", I believe) powered boat? Just curious?
 

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Many years ago their was a man on Cherokee lake TN that had a ram jet engine on a boat, and once a week normally early Sunday mornings you could hear him coming from about 3 miles away, I never saw him running but he passed the hollow the house boat was docked in real fast.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

In the 60's Chrysler took their slant 6 and laid it right down on its side. Saw one in the Mopar dealer parts store
They would fit under a slightly raised rear deck.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I guess was wondering about having a boxer engine for its lower wider profile to reduce the ammount of space it uses in a boat. I like the idea of direct drive as it seems a lot simpler (no bellows) though I was wondering if a boxer could reduce the size of the engine cover in the center of the boat.

I wonder any gov has made a nuclear powered runabout :)
 

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Ferrari had a 4.9 liter flat 12, but you need to think about twins ;) This makes things worse for space not better . . .

Unless you were talking air-cooled, I don't understand the cooling system comments at all. And inboards are slow. You need a trimmable drive to make things fast in anything usable.

Moving to non-repair inboard.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

turbines to speed! cool. I'd love to fire up the turbines at the dock. although, the other folks on the water may not be crazy about the noise. seems like it would be loud, but super cool nonetheless.

has anyone ever made rotary (a.k.a. "wankle engine", I believe) powered boat? Just curious?

Hes a u tube of a turbo rotary in a boat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxK2ub-qCs
 
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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

And inboards are slow. You need a trimmable drive to make things fast in anything usable.

Moving to non-repair inboard.
yea Jersey skiffs are slow! :ROLLEYES:

Most break a 100mph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDPMvrps4gA
16810d1193588778-can-you-pump-jersey-speed-skiff-speedbrothers.jpg
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I knew you'd appear. Take any horsepower rating and design the hull around the drive, and a trimmable drive will be faster. Especially if applied aft. I have never said, that an inboard cannot be fast. But a trimmable drive is faster . . . It's true, and I will debate it as long as anyone wants.
 

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I knew you'd appear. Take any horsepower rating and design the hull around the drive, and a trimmable drive will be faster. Especially if applied aft. I have never said, that an inboard cannot be fast. But a trimmable drive is faster . . . It's true, and I will debate it as long as anyone wants.

And you will spend 3x money getting there!
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

The 2.5l subaru would more than match the 3.0l in power and durability. Only thing is most if not all the good boxers are over head cam witch I dont thing has ever worked out in the marine world(2.3ford,aq125volvo)
One may work nice in a small jet setup

I agree the the low hump in an inboard setup would be nice.

That I know of there are no big cube boxers out there.
Two flat 4's end to end would get it done but that would open a big can of worms.
 

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Re: Why not use a boxer engine in a boat?

I agree Tahorover! That's what I play with, not exactly 'slow'. Jersey speed skiffs - One fun ride.
 
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