Why no thermostats in some outboards?

roscoe

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Say for example the Merc 115 inline 6 thru the eighties?

Did this turn out to be a bad mistake?
 

wired247

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

I don't know. They made what? A hundred bazillion of them or so from the 50's up until the late 80's. Must have worked for a while

Inlines don't get side loading like "V" engines do and are more forgiving for temperature differences.
 

roscoe

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

I don't know, just curious I guess.
Inline 2-3-4 cylinders have t-stats, why not the 6's ?

Or, if the 6's didn't need them, why do the others?
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

I don't know, just curious I guess.
Inline 2-3-4 cylinders have t-stats, why not the 6's ?

Or, if the 6's didn't need them, why do the others?

2 cylinder 35 HP Merc's through the eighties also DO NOT have thermostats from the factory. I know this for a fact because I've had several of them to repair. I proposed this same question to this forum some time ago (ref my post of Jan 25, 2012) but received no answers that were thoroughly convincing. As an ME and shade tree mechanic, it makes sense to me that they should have thermostats
John
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

It is called "design". But it is common to incorporate a thermostat in a water cooled engine to control temperatures for better combustion and expansion control during warm up, slow speed and high speed operation. A temperature controlled engine generally exhibits better fuel economy than the same engine without the stat. You must admit the engines without stats were not exactly economy champs. An engine can be designed without a stat as easily as it can with one. We have plenty of air cooled engines ranging from yard equipment to cars and airplanes.
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

My opinion: For years engines were made with 18kv magneto generated open ckt voltage to fire the plugs and no stats. Some didn't even have a shifting device so that you could start in N. The tower was based upon a design of the '50's, i.e. the 6 cyl 60 hp which grew into the 150 hp before the V6 comes out....a new design....with a stat, pair to be exact. I don't remember ever having a stat on a small hp engine, including an 85 4 cyl Merc I bought in the '80's. I had a 4.5 hp and a 7.5 hp of '70's vintage with no stat.

As time progressed OEMs were looking for ways to improve their product and beat the competition. In 1971 I bought an OMC V4 125 hp. which had a stat, but I ran against Merc 125 hp red band towers with no stat. They had 40kv Thunderbolt ignition.....don't remember what I had. As I saw it, Merc learned, from it's testing at Lake X in Florida, that a stat is just a liability in salt water making for more scale in the water chambers (salt deposits increasing with higher temps) and something to fail. So they went with the high voltage CD ignition.

With new designs came stats and the high voltage and things just got better. For the record, the only engine that I ever lost was due to a stuck shut stat with no overtemp horn on a '75 Rude 70 hp triple. My current boat, Merc powered, on my first outing, I discovered that I had a stuck shut stat. but I had a warning horn and saved my engine.

Soooo, like Silvertip said, designer's choice. Trying to better the product to beat the competition.

Kinda rough but my general idea.

Mark
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

I get the "one less thing to fail" argument.

I understand "design". But often think of it as "POOR DESIGN" when I am pumping 35* ice filled springtime river water thru my engine. I just can't believe this is optimal.

Just always seemed strange to me that a small portable 2 cylinder would have, or need, a t-stat, but the big tower doesn't have one.
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

I think I've posted this before inline-heat-path.jpg.
 

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Re: Why no thermostats in some outboards?

Remember reading that in a old(1962) PopScience or PopMechanic magazine
 
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