Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

[ShawnQ]

Is this true? I have my engine mounted on my boat, but the tilt/trim is not hooked up yet. The engine is tilted way low, and I can barely get it out of my garage without the engine scraping the ground...So, I tried to lift the engine, no go. I would think that the engine should be able to be lifted even if it has power t/t. Should it? Or will I have to hook the tilt/trim up to get it to move?<br /><br />If it CAN lift with power t/t, then my tilt tube is indeed frozen...cause this sucker wont budge.<br /><br />Let me know<br />Thanks<br />Shawn

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn<br /><br />If the T&T cylinders are still attached, then you will not be able to lift it due to hydraulic lock.

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Hi Shawn,<br /> What do you have for an engine? Most have a release somewhere to allow the hydraulic fluid to flow from the resevoir to the cylinders. I know on Johnrudes it's a slotted screw down low on one side of the mounting brackets, usually recessed into the bracket somewhat. Back it out a couple turns and you'll be able to (slowly) raise the motor by hand. Make sure you tighten the screw back up before using the power trim.<br />- Scott

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

rick..<br /><br />There is one LARGE cylinder in the middle, and it is attached. (It looks, in appearance, like an automotive shock).<br /><br />On the each side of that center cylinder, there is another cylinder..about the size of a coffee mug around, but taller. The pistons in these cylinders are all the way down. The piece that these cylinders would hit is probably ~3" away from them, so there is no contact there (as it sits, at least).<br /><br />So, the only thing that could be holding it is the center one...Is that one even hydraulicly pressurized?<br /><br />I'm hoping I can just hook all the wiring up and hit the switch, and it will tilt/trim...but, I'm afraid it may be locked. (Although, there is plenty of grease on the tube, and the grease fittings are full...just the steering rod is locked in it.)<br /><br />Thanks!<br />Shawn

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Chinewalker (great name, btw!),<br /><br />I have a nissan, NS90A model...I'm not sure if there is a pressure release or not..<br /><br />I've got a clymers, let me check into that.<br /><br />Thanks!<br />Shawn

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn<br /><br />As Chinewalker said, there should be a release valve somewhere on the Nissans, but I don't know where it's at. Manual should show it.

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Rick,Chime,<br /><br />I released the manual valve, and I still can't move the engine, not even a little...Guess that means the tilt tube is frozen, huh?<br /><br />now what?<br /><br />Shawn

 

[Walker]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn, close the relief valve and connect the tilt wires to a battery. One way will be up and reverse the connection for down. See if that works.

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn<br /><br />Did you try all the suggestions in this previous post? They are as good as anything I could come up with. Especially Hooty's at the end.<br /><br /> web page

 

[45_red]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

What is the history of this motor? With the manual release open(3-4 turns I believe), you should be able to tilt by hand. The hydraulic unit will raise & lower it even when things are badly corroded, but won't last very long.Do the zerks take grease?

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

45red..<br /><br />The engine was used in saltwater, and was removed to re-power(went w/a 150). After it was removed, it was stored in a garage (dry) for a little over 3 months. There is obvious corrosion on it..but I've seen a lot worse that still worked perfect, so...make it what you will. I released the man. release 3-4 turns, and it wont move a hair...I will lift the boat off the trailer before the engine tilts. The zerks will take grease, but they are full, it just pushes it out the sides. If I can get it to move with the power tilt/trim, then that will be a start..and could possibly make it easier to remove, right?<br /><br />rick,<br /><br />I assumed that those suggestions were just to get the steering ram out of the tilt tube. I'm not worried about the ram, because I have a transom mount cable that just attaches to the tiller. Therefore, I dont need the steering cable that goes thru the tilt tube. BUT, I do need the engine to tilt, hehe.<br /><br />Walker,<br /><br />If I hook up the tilt, it will break it loose? I will try it this evening if I get a chance...<br />Have you ever had to do this? You work on engines, what would you charge for something like this? I am kind of fed-up with it to be honest, I just want to go fishing already!<br /><br />Thanks guys<br />Shawn

 

[Walker]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn, I've never seen one that was frozen up on the tilt tube. I suspect there is something else going on like maybe a stuck release valve. <br />call me if you want. 256-0200

 

[Walker]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn, I've never seen one that was frozen up on the tilt tube. I suspect there is something else going on like maybe a stuck release valve. <br />call me if you want. 256-0200

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Were you able to break the Tilt Tube nuts loose? If you have not tried that yet, I would start there. Can you re-post that pic of the T&T tube you had up before?

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Rick...<br /><br />I was able to get one nut off of the tilt tube..but I think it was steering related. The actual tilt tube fasteners are probably the ones that are kind of recessed into the casting of the engine, right? I haven't tried those yet...<br />Let me know what pictures to take, I can take a pic of anything on there if it will help you help me. Just let me know.<br /><br />Walker, it's pretty stuck...Like I said, I lifted the boat off the trailer trying to get the engine to tilt. I can't call you now...but I may tomorrow.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Shawn

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Just a good shot of the T&T unit and where it's stuck at the tube will do.

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Rick...here's a few...if you need anymore,let me know:<br /><br /> http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/ShawnQ/4.jpg <br /> http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/ShawnQ/3.jpg <br /> http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/ShawnQ/2.jpg <br /> http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/ShawnQ/1.jpg <br /><br />Let me know what you think...<br />BTW, I talked to the previous owner AND the guy who sold it to me today. They both said that the tilt was functioning fine when they stored it. The guy I bought it from is a dealer in rockport, tx (saltwater)...he said just hook up the power tilt, raise it up, grease the heck out of it, and raise/lower it several times...then re-do it. He said if it should lift, no prob..<br /><br />Shawn

 

[ShawnQ]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Rick, you'll have to copy/paste that into your browser to get them to work<br />sorry.<br /><br />Shawn

 

[45_red]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

I had a similar problem with my '93 NS 90A, rather than tear it all down I drilled& tapped for grease zerks on the back side.Appeared to me that the grease from the zerks on the front wasn't getting to the back side,when I squirted penetrating oil in the new holes, it free-ed up almost right away. Before that I could only raise it with a come-along and strap(heavy boat).

 

[sloper450]

Re: Who said you can't tilt the engine by hand if it has power T/T?

Shawn I had simular problem 3 weeks ago. Mine was at the boat ramp and I can't trailer the boat with the motor down cause the foot drags. I finally released the screw on the side to let just enough fluid out to see. Then with the pressure off I lifted from the skeg up. It worked thank God otherwise I would still be at the boat ramp. On a second note a couple taps with a broom handle on the motor freed up the brushes in the motor and it woks fine today. Hope this helps I know how frustrating t/t can be.