Who is to blame in grading

Pony

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I am currently taking a philosophy class.....we recently got the mid-term exams back from the professor. I got a 60, the average was a 35......this is out of 100. So my question is this. Who is to blame for the poor grades? Obviously the material wasn't "soaked in".....but he's a tough grader.
 

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Re: Who is to blame in grading

Not being there it's hard to say.<br />I can relate this though.<br /><br />In high school I got a F on my report card in math. In my defense I showed my paperwork with all grades being C's to my parents.<br />Mr Stroud (yes I will never forget his name) told my parents I should be getting straight A's and would continue to fail me until I did!<br />Not only did I get grounded for a whole month but oddly enought I got straight A's for the rest of the year in his class! <br /><br />Just a thought :D :D
 

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No curve grading? I'd say the Prof unless you guys are all filled with Beer and Goulasch by the time you get to class . . . :D
 

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What Quietcat said.<br /><br />I can't stand professors who pull that crap. Especially the ones who grade like that in courses such as philosophy. Most professors who grade like this standardize the grading, so your 60 may be an A or B. What I really don't like about it is you have no idea what your grade will be until the end, unless he curves the grade now.<br /><br />Go talk to him outside of class. You'll stand out in his mind at the end of the semester.
 

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He said he is going to curve it, but to what extent I dont know. Heres an example of his grading: One question was worth 10 pts. It is a 3 part question. In part number 3 I used the work "cyclical" instead of "circular"....Got the entire problem correct except that word. 0 POINTS. <br /><br />QC, its a morning class.......the beer would already be consumed. A little early for goulash as well
 

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Hmmmmm.<br /><br />I never taught in "public" schools. All my teaching was for the military, for high tech industry and finally in private tech colleges.<br /><br />I always had specific ends, or objectives, for my students to achieve, and specific levels of performance of those objectives, criteria, for them to reach.<br /><br />If my students could perform those objectives to criterion performance I felt we. . . they and I. . . had been successful. If not, well, I was in charge, the leader, and had failed.<br /><br />Bottom line? I had a favorite saying when teaching teachers to teach: "If the learner hasn't learned, the teacher hasn't taught."<br /><br />In fairness to your prof, Pony, I never taught philosophy. It may be harder to measure learning achievement in philosophy than physics, calculus or management. But how does he know if he has helped or hindered that learning?<br /><br />At the risk of making this too long, here is a poem I used to require my instructor students to memorize. It is by Robert F. Mager, one of my mentors.<br /><br />There once was a teacher whose principal feature was hidden in quite an odd way. . .<br />Students by millions, or possibly zillions, surrounded him all of the day.<br /><br />When finally seen by his scholarly Dean and asked how he managed this deed. . .<br />He held up three fingers, and said, "All you swingers need only to follow my lead.<br /><br />'To rise from a zero to big campus hero to answer these questions you'll strive. . .<br /><br />"Where am I going? How shall I get there? And how will I know I've arrived?"<br /><br />Perhaps your prof can answer those questions for you.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

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class avg 35? without a measure of dispersion it's impossible to say for sure but my guess is the blame falls on the prof. if its a fairly smooth curve you ougtta come out pretty good.<br /><br />the cyclical/circular thing sounds pretty anal to me, no partial credit on essay questions? wierd<br /><br />My 8th grade daughter's taking latin (this is in public school believe it or not) and I always tell her "Talk some latin for me!"<br /><br />So, Pony, talk some philosophy for us!
 

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so you want to know about categorical syllogisms, arguments, and fallacies??
 

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The funny thing its a 200 level class, not a 400 level class. I took it thinking it would be not as difficult and I could focus and my 400 level stuff.....oops<br /><br />Well said JB......I tend to think that the lessons learned from a professor reach far beyond grades. There is more to learn at school than the material on the exam
 

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Had kind of a similar thing happen to me taking a survey methods class (which I don't use to this day by the way).<br /><br />People were failing left and right on exams. As individuals we could not figure out why. Class dwindled down to about 30 of us. We all got frustrated and started talking after class. What we thought was that we were providing the correct answers but wording it different than what the lecture or textbook indicated. We then formed a study group and we memorized key points in lectures and the book that we thought were going to be on the exam so that we could write them on the exam in the exact wording...word for word.<br /><br />Guess what, we all got those answers wrong too. When confronted, the prof capitulated and gave us credit for some of the marked wrong answers.<br /><br />About mid-term we all went to the Dean's office to complain. Didn't do any good. Prof was just a D***.<br /><br />I got a "D" in that class if I remember correctly and counted my blessings that I was able to even get that.
 

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So your'e a bull **** artist. Have you bull ****ted today? Have you tried to bull**** today?<br /><br />Ken
 

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Hey Pony... UWM?<br /><br />Ugh, I was a student there once...<br /><br />You know, I think that while the responsibility is on the student to get good grades, I think it is heavily impacted by the quality of teaching by the professor. You can have a group of students, with two different professors have two totally different results. If the teachers way of teaching is to stand in front of class and talk, I guarantee that the students will not retain as much info.<br /><br />If the professor has a friendly attitude, shows a willingness and interest in the subject they are taching, and has a healthy banter between the students and prof, I guarantee the students will perform much better.<br /><br />Sean
 

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Yeah Sean.....UWM.<br /><br />He seems like I nice guy. I am going to ask him what the curve is going to be before I ask him anything else. If he curves it to make 35 a C,then I can't argue with that.<br /><br />I completely agree that the way material is taught has a huge effect on the amount learned. The trick is figuring out how you learn best, and picking a prof accordingly
 

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That's right. Find out about the professor before you register for a class. It makes all the difference in the world.
 

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Hey Pony - what's your major? You still in the Gen-Ed stuff? Actually, UWM wasn't that bad. The only gripe I had was that the computer Science classes were ALL taught by TA's of Indian descent. Talk about making something difficult to learn. I'm at Carroll College now and all the prof's are easy to understand.
 

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i will look for the web site and post it but my daughter found a site that gives rateings of prof from students for schools all over the US<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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My daughter is in her third year of college and has always been at the top of her class. A few weeks ago she said she took a test that was very difficult. It turned out she got a 35 on it and she said she don't think she has what it takes. I assured her that she was smart enough and just give it her best.Thats all we can ask. Her answer was to cancel her cable TV and study harder. She just had another test in the same class and got a 96 on it. She says to me, "I guess hard work really does pay off". I am so proud of her. By the way, she still has cable TV.
 

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Year - Junior<br />Major- Architecture <br />Minor- Art History<br /><br />I am going to be done with general classes very soon, as I took a year off of the Architecture stuff to get the other stuff done.....That way I can focus on my major in the end.<br /><br />Sean my mom just went back and got a degree in Computer Science.....went to Cardinal Stritch though
 
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