Which rod holder system? (crappie)

TwoWatt

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I decided this year I wanted to start trolling / spider rigging for crappie. <br />It seems like a productive way to cover a lot of water instead of anchoring / moving / anchoring / moving/ etc. <br /><br />I'm looking for some opinions on which system to get. <br /><br />I can get a 3-rod Tite-Lok setup shown here for $76.99. <br />Indiana only allows 3 rods/person so 3 is fine.<br /><br />I've also noticed a system from Mr. Crappie shown here for $79.99.<br /><br />The only thing that worries me about the Mr Crappie setup is the height of the base. I don't want to be having to lean over far to get to the rods....<br />(well now I think about it, I sit down "in" the boat, I dont have a deck level w/ the top of the boat, maybe it wouldn't be too bad)<br /><br />Anyways, anyone use either of the setups or can recommend another? <br /><br />Thanks.
 

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Re: Which rod holder system? (crappie)

Really like the ones Mother Nature supplied me with. They are free.
 

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For the spider rig setup on my boat I have 8 rod holders across the front of the boat, I run 2 14' rods on the outside and then 2 12' rods angled in and 7' rods staggered across the frontI figure Im covering over 30' on 2 ft spacing<br /> I built my own rod holders, mine are patterened after the driftmaster t series a little further over in the catalog your looking at. I built my own t bracket to mount the rod holders in, but instead of a 4 rod holder I built mine all for two rods (less strain on the mount) I built the mounts about 10 in tall so I wouldnt have to reach down so far to get them, as these are on a bass boat.<br /> I have had a lot of fun rigging this boat. I can troll (bounce) for catfish off the rear with 6 more rods in the same type holders (with a different angle) can also fish over the sides with 6 more rod holders when still fishing cats or crappie.<br /> now if I could just find the fish??? <br /> :confused: maby I need to get out from in front of this puter and do that? :D
 

heycods

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Re: Which rod holder system? (crappie)

Here is a poor boy setup someone else built on another site.
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<br /><br /><br />Ill try to get pix of my setup tomorrow so you can see what im talking about.
 

TwoWatt

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Re: Which rod holder system? (crappie)

Thanks. I do have 4 rod holders (w/ a either 5 or 10 degree angle) already and could probably rig something up myself. I'm pretty handy :) <br /><br />The only time I plan on trolling is when I'm by myself. <br /><br />I was looking at this here but I'm not sure if my rod holders are 3/8's? <br />*well I just measured & indeed they are. <br />That would be a cheaper option.
 

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I welded a piece of 3/8 allthread ten " long to a piece of 3/4"angle iron 10" long forming the T. I drilled and tapped the angle iron on each end to recieve the 3/8 driftmaster type rod holder. I screw the allthread of the t into the driftmaster bases. (bought, I couldnt find a stalk if 1/2" By 2" aluminum bar stock to make bases with.<br /> I built my rod holders out of 3/8 cold roll, and shaped it arounf a piece of 1" pipe while heating with a cutting torch. They turned out good look just like the original driftmasters. I plastic coated the rod holders with tool dip.
 

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Re: Which rod holder system? (crappie)

I'm not that handy :D <br /><br />I think I may go w/ the driftmaster & use my rod holders. <br />Seems like the cheapest way to get to where I'm going w/ it.
 

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This fishing stuff gets expensive so I cut corners and build what I can. If I had bought the driftmasters setup for that boat alone I would have over $300 bucks in the troling and spider setup as it is I still have around 60 dollars in it. If I could have found the Aluminum bar stock I could have got off for $10. :(
 

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The drift masters come in different angles, but it apears that dont mater as you could swivel up and doun on the t bar, if not go with the 5* as you wont your rod tips within a foot or so of the water.
 

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Heres a good C&P from another site on spider rigging. Spider-Rigging For Crappie lenghty but good read<br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Spider-rigging (slow vertical trolling) is becoming more and more popular among tournament pros and weekend anglers. Many tournaments and classics has been won by using this technique, and is proven to be the most productive method for putting good numbers of crappie in your livewell.<br />The term "spider-rigging" comes from the way the boat is rigged, with poles sticking out from all sides of the boat looking like a spider. This set-up allows the anglers to cover alot of water at various depths and quickly search for potential crappie hangouts and finding schools of crappie. Once the fish is found, this deadly technique allows the anglers to present the baits thoroughly around dropoffs, brush piles, and other similar cover.<br /><br />RIGGING YOUR BOAT<br /><br />Almost any boat can be used for spider-rigging, but make sure that it suits your style of fishing and comfort, although the bigger the boat, the better. The smaller boats' biggest enemy is the wind and waves, which would make it difficult to maneuver the boat and may cause your poles and baits to bounce up and down. The bigger aluminum or fiberglass boats provide more room and safety. There are many other things to consider when rigging your boat:<br />Seating: There are three seating options for spider-rigging. You can fish alone in front, you and a partner in front and back, or you and a partner in the front. There are many advantages to having both partners on the front of the boat. Both of you can present your baits around the same cover, taking turns with the trolling motor controls. When one hooks a fish the other can grab the landing net, and one can watch the other's poles while the other unhooks the fish or baits the hooks. The only time we use the front/back seating is in strong windy conditions when its harder to control the boat and the back is more stable.<br />Trolling Motor: A good quality trolling motor with variable speeds is vital when slow trolling over structures. Troll as slowly as possible over cover. When fish are aggressive or when trolling with crankbaits on back of the boat, adjust to faster speeds.<br />Locators: A good quality locator will help show you details of fish, cover and depths. Always watch your locator very closely, and when you come upon a potential crappie hotspot, mark your spot and fish the area thoroughly.<br />Pole holders: Using quality pole holders on a rack is required to fish with multi-pole techniques. The key is to hold the poles at the same height and close together so you can see the bites much easier. We use the Driftmaster Li'l Pro Series with 0 degree angle holders with Li'l T-Bars on the front. With the Driftmaster rod holders, we can quickly lift the poles straight up for an instant hookset and they last a lifetime.<br />Landing nets: It's good to have a landing net close by and easy to reach. Fish tend to run to the sides when they are hooked and can tangle up with the other lines, so by quickly reaching in with a landing net will help save you time and perhaps netting the big slabs will prevent breaking your lines and poles.<br /><br />EQUIPMENT<br /><br />Poles: Long poles are critical when trolling in front of the boat. They should be long enough to keep the lines away from the trolling motor and baits away from the boat to avoid spooking the fish. However, you can use smaller rods on the sides and back of the boat when trolling.<br />We use 12' Jigging Poles and 14' B'n'M Trolling Poles for slow trolling. They are strong enough to use heavier weights for windy conditions and for swinging the bigger fish into the boat, yet very sensitive to detect light bites. They are also limber enough to absorb the shock from waves and prevent the baits from bouncing up and down with the boat. We paint our pole tips with bright orange paint to help us detect the light bites easier from 14 feet away, and the color orange is easier to see in all water and weather conditions. <br />Reels: Any reel will do, but most trolling anglers use either spinning or baitcasting reels. We use spinning reels, since they have bigger handles to easily grab and reel. They are also light and give a "balanced" feel when holding our poles.<br /><br />RIGS AND BAITS<br /><br />There are many different ways to rig for slow trolling. We use a "Double Jig or Minnow Rig" in shallower water, and we also use the famous "Capps and Coleman Rig" in depths more than 5 feet. <br />The Double jig/minnow Rig consists of a spooled 6 or 8-pound line tied to the top of a size #6 or #8 3-way swivel. Tie a 6-pound leader 12" long to the side eye of the swivel with a 1/32 or a 1/16 oz. jig or #2 size minnow hook. Then tie a 30" leader to the bottom eye of the swivel. Attach a 1/8 oz. jig or another minnow hook 18" below the swivel with a palomar knot and tie a bell weight, No-Snagg or a drop-shot sinker to the end of the line.<br />The Capps and Coleman rig can be spooled with a 8 or 10-pound line tied to the top or a size #6 or #8 3-way swivel. Then tie a 6-pound line about 12" long to the side eye of the swivel with a 1/32 or 1/16 oz. jig or #2 minnow hook. Then tie on about a 4 foot length leader to the bottom eye of the swivel. An 1/2 oz. egg sinker is then tied on about 18" below the swivel, and another 1/32 or 1/16 oz jig or minnow hook is tied about 12" below the sinker. In windy conditions, use a heavier 3/4 oz. egg sinker to prevent the rig from "bouncing" with the waves.<br /><br />Minnows are favored and used by most spider-rigging fishermen. Nothing looks more natural with live smell, action and flash to crappie than minnows. When hooking a minnow, always hook them through the lips so they can swim naturally and live longer while slow trolling. However, jigs can also be very productive when tipped with other live bait such as Grubco's Wax Worms, Mealy Worms or Spikes. <br />We use a variety of baits while trolling, using a double-jig combo, double-minnow combo, or a jig/minnow combo with different colors to find out what the crappie prefer for that day. The jigs that we have the most success with for trolling are the Swim Fin Grubs and the Tassel Tail Grubs from the Culprit Crappie Baits series. These grubs have a life-like kicking tail for subtle waves of action even at very slow speeds. Culprit Crappie Baits series also have the Paddle Tail and the Curl Tail Grubs that we use when the water is really murky. These grubs give out the vibration to help the crappie to locate the offerings.<br />No matter what rig you use, it never hurts to add live bait or other scents to the minnow or jig, especially when the fishing is tough. We like to tip our jigs with a minnow, but since we started adding Grubco worms to the minnows and jigs, our catch ratio increased even more. While trolling with multiple poles, give the crappie a smorgasbord by adding worms to some of your rigs and minnows to the others to let them decide what they want to eat. <br /><br />BOAT CONTROL<br /><br />Boat control is the single most important element for spider-rigging. The key to successful boat controlling is speed. The best way to tell what your speed limit is by watching the lines. The lines should go back around a 15-degree angle while moving forward. With this speed, you can still cover alot of water and is slow enough to give the fish a chance to see and attack. Going slower will cause your hooks to tangle with the leaders.<br />When the winds are blowing, its best to face the wind so you can have complete control of the boat and speed. You may have to run the trolling motor faster to keep up with the wind but still watch your lines to maintain your boat speed. The winds, however, help with boat control when fishing over brush piles, dropoffs, and other cover. When you come to a good spot, step off the pedal and let the wind ease you back so you can keep presenting your baits in and out of the cover. It also helps when getting a bite, the wind will ease you back while you unhook the fish so you can troll right back into the cover again. Remember, the wind is your brakes and helps you reverse.<br /><br />TIPS<br /><br />- Always keep your poles at the same height and evenly spaced apart. You will know immediately when you get a bite and the pole tip is out of position. Also keep your pole tips no more than 12" above water. This helps prevent the winds from blowing your lines around and tangling with other lines.<br />- Don't be afraid to "bump" your baits into ledges, stumps, brush piles, etc.., that's when a lot of bites occur. When you get hung up on an object, just back up and shake the sinkers and they will usually come loose.<br />- ALWAYS watch your lines and pole tips for bites, and maintain your boat speed so that your lines are at a 15-degree angle.<br />- Check with your State's fishing regulations for number of poles allowed per angler. Some states allows 2 per angler, while another may allow 4 per angler. Fishing with a partner will double the number of poles for spider-rigging. Trolling with just 4 poles (2 per angler) can be just as effective as with a total of 8 poles.<br />- Studying a map and knowing the seasonal patterns of crappie can help you eliminate a lot of water, and concentrate on trolling in areas likely to hold crappie.<br /><br /><br />Get the right equipment, rig your boat, and practice spider-rigging. Once you gain experience and catch lots of fish, you may never go back to your other technique again!
 

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Re: Which rod holder system? (crappie)

Im lucky to keep 2 rods from getting tangled, let alone 8 or 9. And besides that, In Missouri, you can only have 3 poles out a one time, so spider rigging wouldnt do me much good. It is neat to see those guys with a pontoon boat with a rod every foot down the front and sides. But I couldnt imagine the tangles that I could create!
 

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Never had the pleasure of catching a big cat while spider rigging, I have heard its quite a party. :D
 

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Thanks for that article. I'll re-read that tonight after work. <br /><br />Indiana has a 3 rod limit/person so I'm only going to have 3. I figure one off each side & one in the middle. <br />I don't imagine getting too many tangles, but am looking forward to multiple strikes....sounds like fun. <br /><br />I'll only do this when I'm alone anyways, when I have someone w/ me we end up using beetlespins , bobbers, etc.
 

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I havent done the last mod on my boat where you have 2 seats up front, so someone can help with this mess of lines.
 
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