when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

hawk232

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first off, im kinda new to all this so excuse my ignorance as far as terminology goes. i have an 89 starcraft bass boss 170 with a 82 evinrude 75. when i try to trim it up the front of the boat starts bouncing real bad in the water. How can i make it stop doing this? i have been told that a jack plate would help the situation. i took off the hydro foil (i think thats what its called) and the made the situation WAY worse. any help is appreciated.

David
 

Silvertip

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

That's what trim is for. Trim back down until it just stops porpoising. Some boat porpoise until you power through that speed range. You have a mid-size engine on your boat and what happens is the engine can't hold the nose up at that speed so it rises, falls again, and repeats. Redistributing the load for forward would help. If you have a stern heavy boat, Smart-Tab trim tabs would probably help.
 

LubeDude

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Be ing a 170, I`m guessing that it`s a 17' boat. If that is the case, a 75 is way underpowered for it making any trim adjustment useless and the cause of the porposing. It takes a lot of HP to hold the nose up out of the water like Silvertip mantioned.
 

Prin

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Back the trim down so that it stops the bouncing, it should then be at its most efficient speed. If the speed seems resonable you are probably ok, if not then look to other causes.
 

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Hawk;

The Trim on the motor allows you to adjust the bow to stern attitude of the boat. When accelerating from a stop the bow will follow the path of least resistance which is up into the air until there is enough water pressure under the hull to raise the boat to plane. If you note, the transom will have an angle (side view) where the bottom of the transon is further forward than the top (about a 10 to 12 degree rake). This allows the motor to be trimmed down to a position beyond vertical, and tilt the prop up. In this position the prop will try to lift the back of the boat as well as driving forward (not efficient but somewhat effective). Lifting the stern pushes the bow down.

When cruising, and when you attempt to bring the prop to a vertical position (most efficient for thrust) the bow no longer has the upward stern lift to keep the boat from porpoising. In other words the boat is now balancing on an axis which is somewhere near the last 1/3 of the boat. This creates a nice long leverage arm (from the axis to the bow tip) that easily bounces up and down.

The Hydrofoil provided extra stern lift but as the surface are is small, it was not enough. There are many other issues with Hydrofoils, but let's stick to the issue at hand.

Trim Tabs will provide the lift at slow speeds to keep the bow down during acceleration, and will stop the bow from bouncing when underway, thus allow you to trim the motor to a vertical position taking advantage of all of the thrust.
 

Silvertip

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Hawk -- just so you know, John knows of what he speaks. They make Smart-Tabs and I am a very happy user myself on a walleye boat the same size as yours. They are simply the slickest thing since sliced bread.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

YEP,Smart Tabs all the way!! Great product and will solve porpoising....Get a set then throw away the Hydrofoil..
 

croSSed

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

How old is your boat? Another (horrible) possibility is that your transom is one big slab of dry rot. If that's the case then when you trim your motor up the transom begins to flex in and out, allowing the motor thrust to start an up and down motion causing your porpoising problem. Been there, done that, glad I found the problem before the transom opened up like a door one day when I hammered the throttle... :%

TG
 

Mark42

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Make sure the motor is not mounted too low. The lower the prop, the longer the "lever" or the greater the leverage it has to lift the bow. Try raising it a bit (to reduce its ability to raise the bow) to reduce or eliminate porpoising. If it doesn't work, go with the smart tabs.
 

tmcalavy

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Another friendly endorsement/infomercial for smart tabs...you guys should put this on video. Before you invest in STs make sure your outboard is set up properly on your boat. Trim the outboard so it is perpendicular with the ground, on the trailer of course. Where is your cavitation plate? Should be within an inch, up or down, of the bottom of the boat/transom. What size is your transom? How deep from top to keel? Is the outboard a long or short shaft? It should be matched to your transom, otherwise you can get cavitation from too short an outboard leg or deep plowing from too long an outboard leg. Tilt n trim is great, but your rig must be set up properly to begin with and no way to know without checking if you bought it used, or an inexperienced fitter installed the outboard.
 

Silvertip

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Deep plowing will not occur with too long a leg unless trimmed fully in which drives the bow down. His problem occurs trimming out. If the leg is too long trimming out would accentuate the porpoise condition. That's why I sent him to the Nauticus site. Porpoising, foils, setup and tabs are discussed in detail there.
 

hawk232

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

wow, lots of info, thanks for all the help. im pretty sure the motor is too deep, didnt know that would have such an effect though. correct me if im wrong but there is no way to lift the motor without jack plates right? my boat is "rated" for a max of an 80 hp motor. the transom seems to be solid from all that i can tell. i think the fact that its sitting so deep may have something to do with it. (now that you all have mentioned it) i am also going to research the smart tabs and find out some info on them
 

Silvertip

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Re: when i trim up, boat starts bouncing

Unbolt the motor and raise it up using the existing mounting holes. If the AV plate is not at least flush with the bottom of the boat, raise it to that level and start there. Don't go so high that you lose water pressure however.
 
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