What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

eavega

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Hi all.
I've been having a recurring problem with my 70EL76D. It will start and idle fine. If you try to roll on throttle, it will sputter and die. If you very slowly increase throttle, it will eventually let you get to full throttle. It won't rev to its full 5000-5500 RPM. Before the decarb, it would rev WOT at about 5300 RPM. After a WOT run, it has problems idling unless you raise the warmup lever a little bit. If you let it idle with the lever up a little bit, you can bring it back down and it will then idle normally. This started happening after I did a decarb and wired in an overboard switch earlier this spring. Here is what I have done so far and associated results:
Rebuilt fuel pump
Changed plugs
Replaced one old fuel line
Replaced spark plug boots (one was leaking spark)
Verified compression 110-110-105
Re-cleaned and rebuilt carbs including removal of core plug.
Verified good spark at the 30k air gap on spark tester
Verified timing with timing light at idle and at WOT.
Verified steady spark at all throttle range with timing light

Other maintenance I did this spring not associated with this problem; changed the LU oil, changed the impeller.

I am still convinced its a fuel issue, because it is only happening when fuel demand changes. The only other thing I can think of is that there were more serious problems with the fuel pump which the rebuild did not resolve. I'm going to replace the fuel pump with a new one, but after that I have reached the limit of my experience. I am looking to see if you all could suggest anything else that I can check.

Also, is there a safe way to run the motor WOT while it is stationary? I find it somewhat dangerous to be hanging over a spinning flywheel and prop while bouncing along on the water to do diagnostics.

As always, any comments or suggestions are most welcome.

Rgds
 
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DJ

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Reset "sync and Link. You will need a manual.
 

rude70

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

You are pretty gutsy to hang over the fly wheel flat out. See Joe Reeves WOT timing procedure in the sticky not "Top secret file", it worked for me.
 

Monte1961

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Well if you dont want a blown up motor, Then dont do that!
 

eavega

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Link n sync done as part of carb re-installation. I can re-verify everything is set right, though, when I swap out fuel pump.

I did the WOT timing verification per the Joe Reeve's method. However, I tried to verify I wasn't losing spark for some reason at speed. Leads on the timing lights are not that long :). cannot recreate the motor failure on muffs. It will idle all day long on muffs or on the water for that matter. I need to be able to troubleshoot while the motor is trying to get to WOT.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Check fuel pump actual output.
Flywheel key O.K. ???
 

AlTn

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Boobie posted the other day about drilling out the jets on some series of 70 hp. johnsons..don't know if yours falls into this category..it was a recent posting on another 70 hp. problem if you want to search the forums...seems like it was in the last day or so
 

eavega

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

There is something I haven't done. I should in-line some clear tubing to verify fuel flow. I haven't checked under the flywheel for a sheared key, but given that the timing is spot on where it is supposed to be, I didn't think that was a possibility.

Here is one more symptom I forgot to mention; when trying to restart and you have to move the warmup lever a little, if it konks out you get what I assume is a lean sneeze. Motor kinda goes "pffft" on what is its last piston stroke before going still.

I'll search the thread for the drilling out of the high-speed jets. Thanks for that heads-up.

Keep the ideas coming!

Rgds
 

AlTn

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

that thread I refer to is titled..need info on drilling out jets/install larger jets by roonie...posted yesterday
 

eavega

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

Found the thread AITn refers to. Doing some more searches, it seems the TSB mentioned may be directly applicable to my motor and my problem. Have PMed two members who may have a copy of the TSB mentioned (#1144 or #1429 for Johnson and Evinrude respectively). If anyone else has a copy, please let me know.

Thanks
 

eavega

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Re: What to check next, and how? 1976 70 hp

So, after I obtained the TSB in question, I verified that my motor had not been modified previously. I went ahead and did the procedure. I also changed out the rebuilt fuel pump as I found it was possibly failing (based on the suck-n-blow test; air should only move in one direction, but found on the output it would go both ways). Just for kicks, I did change the fuel pump before doing the procedure on the carbs, and the problem got better but did not go away. After going through the carburetor modification, I put it on the water yesterday. The flat spot is gone! Will accelerate through its throttle range. The only exception is if I am towing; I can't hammer down. If I do, motor dies. If I baby it until boat gets on plane, then it runs as expected. Thanks for all the help, folks.

Rgds
 
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