What Is This Cup Affair Called ?

[MrMarty51]

The steering rod/shaft extends into this oval cup affair and the cup is suppose to keep out water. This one has a hole in it and it leaks a LOT.
if someone could tell Me what it is called then maybe I could find a new one, or a good used one to purchase.

 

[jbcurt00]

On what boat?

Never seen 1 that looked like that....

Google Motorwell boat, thats what I'm used to seeing for steering/controls to go thru and keep water out....

Iboats carries them too

 

[MrMarty51]

It is on a 1995 Maxum 1700 XR and has a tired 70 horse Force engine.
Helping My son to try and get this sorted out. He works survey/construction so does not have much time for fun during the summer months.
I did partially fill the boat with water and the only other place of leakage was through the U bolt holes for the winch strap hook at the front.
just a real nice solid older boat.
Thank You very much for the reply.

 

[MrMarty51]

 

[southkogs]

I don't known what they call it, but I think it's on the starboard side of the splash well where the controls for the outboard pass through the hull (top cap), correct? That actually probably is specific to the Max. Might have to figure a way to fix what's there or make something similar.

All things working roughly the way they should, that hole shouldn't be a huge deal. You might get some water up through there, but if you're getting a lot - you got some other problems.

I did partially fill the boat with water and the only other place of leakage was through the U bolt holes for the winch strap hook at the front.

You probably don't want to do that. You run the risk of trapping water in and causing rot unintentionally. Better to float the boat and look for water gathering up.

 

[southkogs]

... whoops. Checking my swing here. Not sure that's a control pass through. Lemme' keep looking a bit ...

 

[Scott Danforth]

It is on a 1995 Maxum 1700 XR and has a tired 70 horse Force engine.
Helping My son to try and get this sorted out. He works survey/construction so does not have much time for fun during the summer months.
I did partially fill the boat with water and the only other place of leakage was through the U bolt holes for the winch strap hook at the front.
just a real nice solid older boat.
Thank You very much for the reply.

never fill a boat up on the trailer.

first, you are adding thousands of pounds to the trailer which bends axles, etc.

second, it gets water into areas of the hull that you cant get water out of.

 

[southkogs]

That's actually on the port side of the motor well, I think. Should be position "5" here - which is identified as a small control boot.

I just can't remember what controller came off that side. (Maybe it was optional.) I don't think power steering would have come from both sides, even then.

 

[GA_Boater]

The steering rod/shaft extends into this oval cup affair and the cup is suppose to keep out water. This one has a hole in it and it leaks a LOT.
if someone could tell Me what it is called then maybe I could find a new one, or a good used one to purchase.

You have a very narrow splashwell and the cup is actually a relief for the steering cable and steering link arm when turning all the way to the right. Some part of the link arm or cable is hitting the cup causing the hole.

You should not be getting so much water there to run into the bilge. Some splashing, but not torrents.

I wish people would back up when taking photos. We need to see what you can see.

 

[MrMarty51]

You have a very narrow splashwell and the cup is actually a relief for the steering cable and steering link arm when turning all the way to the right. Some part of the link arm or cable is hitting the cup causing the hole.

You should not be getting so much water there to run into the bilge. Some splashing, but not torrents.

I wish people would back up when taking photos. We need to see what you can see.

I’ll get another shot from a little farther back. I did have more area on the pic but then, i could not load it onto the post, file too big and had to crop it.
that cup is on the left side of the transom well and yes, the steering control rod extends into it when turning that direction. The damage had been done before the son bought the boat.
the engine is very tired and could not get enough speed to get onto plane, that created a lot of back wash into that area and so it would flood the bilge.
I’ll do a repair on this one then spin it 180 so that the repaired area will be towards the top and front.
It is the number 5 in the parts diagram and I thank You very much for that image.
PS; Now I know, I will never run water into the hull of the boat again.

 

[MrMarty51]

its the black oval hole the other side of the engine. I think thats called the port side.
and thank You to SouthKogs for the parts image.

 

[Scott Danforth]

I dont think its the motor is tired...... I think there is 2000# of water in the foam and hull for that control cup to get low enough that you have water coming in.

 

[MrMarty51]

I dont think its the motor is tired...... I think there is 2000# of water in the foam and hull for that control cup to get low enough that you have water coming in.

Well, that is all possible, but, I sure am hoping that there is not. All the finerglass and inside coatings looks tight and healthy, no signs of swelling or soft spots any wheres, and with 000 pounds of compression in chlinder no. 2 of a three cylinder 70 HP Force outboard I just could not understand that this engine is not tired.
maybe it needs a good decarbon procedure, maybe it has busted rings, I dont know but, I sure would not like to further discourage My son by giving him bad news about a waterlogged hull too.

 

[Scott Danforth]

being a 1995, its past its prime. weigh the hull and compare to the specs.

 

[MrMarty51]

being a 1995, its past its prime. weigh the hull and compare to the specs.

We shall do that. I thought there must be some way of knowing without carving into it.
the engine was cold when I did the compression test. Cylinder one was 100 pounds, cylinder three was 125 and that number two was quite bothersome with its 000 reading.
have a carb kit coming for it, when that gets here and get it together and installed, going to warm it up real good the run it through a decarbonization process then see how it does. Not holding My breath that it will get better. Too old for that.
I just hope we can make it run for another journey before winter the I’ll have this medical bill paid off and I’ll go shopping for a different engine, if the hull is good.