What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

Jimmie.jazz

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I understand what the Trim Limit Switch does, but why is there a need for it to be installed? Is it primarily to keep a boater from raising the outdrive's water intakes out of the water or is there a different safety issue associated with the limit? The reason I ask is because the trim limit switch on our 19' Four Winns was disabled by a prior owner.
 

Don S

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

It's there to protect the operator from making a mistake. When trimming up, when you start gaining rpm and loosing speed you are trimmed to high and need to come down to where you have best speed without overreving, trimmed to low, and you loose speed, start plowing and loose rpms also.<br />If you know how to use the drive, you Do NOT HAVE to have it.<br />Before you got the water pickups out of the water the prop would be out.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

It's also to save the U-joints. Beyond the trim angle you stress those guys a lot. It's advisable to have a limit switch for several reasons. There's a spec for the length of the trim rams at the max trim angle. But that is more trim than most boats need. It can be adjusted specifically for your application. Or you can go with the factory spec. Or keep it as is and be aware of the effects of trimming into the tilt range. :)
 

rodbolt

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

its also toprevent excessive side loads on the gimbal. the ears on the shield assy give some protection during turns.<br /> so the reasons are many.
 
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DJ

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

Yep, to save you from ruining the U joints and gimbal.
 

Don S

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

And in reality, if you don't trim up so much that the prop cavitates, or ventilates or what ever you want to call it, you will be fine and won't hurt anything. I would guess that 90% of the boats up here don't have workable trim limits.
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

Yeah,What rodbolt said!<br /><br />the drive needs support to keep from twisting in hard turns,as well as ujoint protection.<br /><br />DHP
 

Jimmie.jazz

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

Thanks, guys.<br />Now I'll tell you a spine-tingler from hell. The reason I asked the question was to validate what happened to us last Friday afternoon on Lake Lewisville, TX. This was only the 2nd time we'd had the boat out on the water since we'd bought it, due to weather and repairing the cooling system. (thermostat was shot and temp sender was shot) Although no one responded with “the boat will be unstable if over-trimmed” I believe it to be true, unless there is another reason that caused this.<br /> <br />We had been cruising around at different speeds for about 45 minutes, just driving the boat at different speeds and trim levels, to get a feel for her. The lake was glass! It's a blast to cruise on water that smooth and silky. We checked out some fishing spots (that used to take us an hour to get to in my buddy's party barge) and idled around some, generally just giving the boat some exercise, and familiarizing ourselves with the controls and feel of the boat. <br /><br />There were very few other craft on the lake. About a half mile away, a cabin cruiser crossed our path, and after fiddling around and inventorying lines and gear, we punched it and were cruising at 47mph (indicated, no GPS) with the outdrive trimmed for best speed as we approached the 3-minute- old wake of the cruiser at a perpendicular intercept. The lead ripples of the wake (looked like about ¼ inch or less high) immediately caused the boat to start porpoising. It bounced about three times in the next 4 seconds, going higher each time. On the third bounce, we were weightless for a second (scary) before the bow came back down into the main trough (6-8 inches) of the cruiser’s wake. The resulting effect was nearly fatal to both of us. <br /><br />The boat acted as though it were on a trampoline and lept into the sky. Somehow my buddy was able to flail and knock the throttle back while I was floating over a foot off the passenger seat. He likely saved our lives. The bow compartment cushions in front of me opened, and my buddy could see the gear in them (line, anchor, etc.) floating weightless for nearly 2 and a half seconds. (pure terror) Past the bow I could see only sky. The boat seemed to be completely out of the water and I could hear the motor whine, as though the prop was spinning with reduced resistance. I was completely at the mercy of the boat. The boat smacked down hard into the water with the engine winding down, and rebounded back up again to meet my buttocks still coming down. I thought it was over for both of us. The impact was shocking. I could not breathe from the pain in my back, and my buddy had seen me come down. He knew I was hurt. He was bleeding from his hand and I could see a smear of blood on his forehead. The engine had died and the silence was deafening. Somehow I managed to get enough breath to gasp “check for water” and gestured at the engine cover. I thought for sure the boat must be split in two and sinking. He pulled the cover and it was still dry. He wanted to get going again right away, but I couldn’t take any movement until my back muscles relaxed a little, so we waited about 5 minutes for me to catch my breath and figure out a less painful position to sit in, restarted and cruised at half throttle back towards the ramp. The boat appeared to be undamaged and handled normally.<br /><br />On the way, we called a buddy who we had planned on picking up at the dock in about an hour to say we were heading in, and told him what happened. He used to race boats in CA. (not sure of the class, but he wore a parachute harness) His immediate response was that we must have been over-trimmed. As we cruised along, I trimmed the boat for best speed at half-throttle and at crossing the slightest disturbance in the water, the boat immediately started porpoising again. I immediately trimmed down and it stopped, but we were going slower. We drove back without further incident. I was laid up the rest of the night, and I’m still on muscle-relaxers, pain pills and very stiff in the mornings. My buddy was sore the next day in his back and neck, and one of his knuckles was swollen. I’ll try to arrange for X-Ray’s later this week, just to verify nothing is broken, crushed, ruptured or dislocated. <br /><br />The next afternoon we started looking at the trim controls. The Trim Limit Switch and Sender were both there, but the limit wouldn’t kick in. With the help of the schematic, we found that someone had shorted together two leads with a spade bit connector, to defeat the limit switch. On top of that, the trim gauge was way off, indicating that the outdrive was still down even when it was raised past the side support ears of the transom assembly. We removed the shorting clip, re-installed the limit switch and set it to cut out at 6.5 inches from the center of the bolt on the trim cylinder back to the seal, per the manual, and adjusted the sender to bump up against the red on the gauge when it reached full travel (6.5 inches) before cut out.<br /><br />We both know we are lucky to be alive. I’ve not tried to sugar- coat my impressions of what happened. The wake we crossed was negligible. We’d crossed bigger wakes earlier in the day at similar speeds, but hadn’t been porpoising at the time. What we have been able to determine is that when the boat was trimmed for best speed, the outdrive was at an unsafe angle, and once in porpoising mode, the angle of the drive pushed the stern of the boat farther down on each subsequent bounce. The unfortunate, timely intercept of coming down from a porpoise bounce and meeting the 6-8 inch wake depression was enough to raise the bow 5-6 feet in the air while driving the stern down even deeper. The bow caught the air and the rebound launched the boat into it. <br /><br />I guess I’m just looking for validation as to what caused this condition. <br />If it is just plain stupid to cross a 6-8 inch wake at 47 MPH in a 19-ft v-hull please just say so without calling me a dumbass, as I won’t be doing it again anytime soon, regardless. I’m just glad I’m still alive to ask the question.<br />If the trim was the main culprit, I’d like to know that I’ve fixed the problem. <br />If I’ve missed it completely and it’s something else, please help me learn what could have caused this, so I can avoid it.
 

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

jim<br /><br />i glad your ok but i cant see a 8" wake getting you that much air but crazy things happen on the water all the time this is the why boats have come with a saftey lanyard for a some time now.<br /> by the way many insurance claims for passanger injury happen like that all the time you were luckey no one was in the bow area.<br /> most crusiers leave a much bigger wake than that some more like 2 ft or more.<br /><br />i think it had to be bigger than it looked eather way you learned a hard lesson and lived to tell about.<br /><br />i have a whale tail on a simlar boat and if your trimed to high it will start to bounce in flat water right away well before the drive is at the trim up limit or at and unsafe level for boat control<br /><br />i cant cross very much of a wake safely with out a pretty big speed reduction hard on the boat and harder on my spine<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

jimmythekid

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Re: What is the reason for limiting trim adjustment ?

it went fron 1/4 inch to 8 inches, large crusiers displace alot of water and therfore make MUCH bigger wakes than that. Even when going somewhat slow (which might be worse I am not sure) My guess is the wake was much larger than you thought. Talk about a Sea Trial :)
 
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