what is the predicted top speed

RichardNaugle

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Hello Gentlemen i have several questions regarding a 1970 johnson i have and it is on the original 1970 princecraft that it came on .the engine is showing 150psi in all 4 cylinders and i have good spark in all 4 cylinders ,now my question is this,when i have the boat running in the yard on the hose and i do a cylinder check by pulling off the wires one by one there is a significant difference between the top 2 cylinders and the bottom yet when i have the boat in the water and either spray gas in the cylinders or cover them over each set of carbs with a cloth they perform the same way..what gives?/ also this boat weighs 2000 lbs and top speed with a 17 degree pitch blade is around 25mph would that be considered normal thanks for any help you can give..rick
 

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jdsgrog

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Re: what is the predicted top speed

what's the hp on the motor? also, not sure i'm understanding what you are asking. are you saying that two of the cylinders bog down and the other two seem to run strong?
 

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hey wheres the trailer????

i couldnt see what size eng you have but that sounds a lil slow.

have you made sure the prop doesnt have a spun hub?

there are lots of variables:

weight distribution

gross weight

horse power

hull design

current

wind

just to name the majors
 

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gross weight

I am in the middle of a rebuild on an 85' Riviera with a similar design... what kind of shape is the boat in? Reason i ask is, it looks like it's just sitting outside, and in mine, it had the "foam filled" sides to make it unsinkable, but because it was so old and had been stored outside, the glass had let the foam actually become water logged, which added a few hundred pounds to the weight of the boat... had to gut it and rebuild from scratch... dont know if that helps your situation or not, but maybe something to look into. A few extra hundred pounds of water soaked foam will definitely cut into your top speed :)
 

RichardNaugle

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Re: what is the predicted top speed

thanks for the response guys..the engine is a 1970 85hp v4..to clarify my question ; I'm wondering if the boat is operating at full power..when i pull one of the top plug wires off there is not much of a change in the way the engine is running at idle ,when i pull one of the bottom wires off there is a noticeable change in the idle as it becomes lumpy and rough. when i do a high speed check in the water by either spraying mixed gas down the carb while the boat is running or by covering over the carburetor for each set of cylinders my results are both the same , could there be a problem with a low idle circuit like in a car and how do i tell if the engine is reaching maximum rpm and what is it..as for the foam in the hull i,m definitely going to check as i thought 2000lbs was pretty heavy for a boat this size, but i can't find any literature any where on a 1970 fiberglass princecraft boat ,it,a as if they were never built.. thanks Rick
 

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Re: what is the predicted top speed

There is substantial information on the 1972 fiberglass Princecraft Riviera, which was a fairly heavy 17 foot, 82" wide runabout. It was rated for 188HP so the 85HP that you have is minimal.

You are overpropped at 17 pitch.
 

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Re: what is the predicted top speed

There is substantial information on the 1972 fiberglass Princecraft Riviera, which was a fairly heavy 17 foot, 82" wide runabout. It was rated for 188HP so the 85HP that you have is minimal.

You are overpropped at 17 pitch.

what do you mean by overprooped and what should it be?/ also i searched the internet for anything i could find on this boat at all and came up blank if you could direct me to the info it would be much apreciated ..thanks rick
 

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can anyone tell me how to check if the boat is reaching it's full rpm..i don't have a manual and am not having much luck finding one
 

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You need a tach, I believe that your WOT rpm's should be 4500-5500, but with todays gas you might want to shoot for 5600-5800
 

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Is this a princecraft riviera? The info I have is that it came in an i/o. if you can get a model and year of the boat, it would also be helpful. with other 1972 17' outboard models, the weight of the boat seems to be near 1000 lbs (dry weight without motor, fuel, and gear) and max hp rating is 135 hp. If the boat is 2000 lbs and it's an early 70's model princecraft, there may be some extra weight due to water in the hull or waterlogged foam.
 
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RichardNaugle

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don't really have any info on the boat other than it does say princecraft on the boat.,i can put up a few more pics. as for waterlogged foam how do i go about determining if this is indeed the case and if so how does one go about removing said foam???
 

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there is a tach built into the boat as well as a speedometer how do i make them work?? what is meant by being over propped??
 

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Overpropped means the pitch on your propeller is too high for the motor with a 2000 pound boat That is indicated by the 25MPH top speed that you stated. There is a propeller forum here at iboats for those issues.

The 1970 V4 had a two wire tach. The black wire went to the engine ground, the grey sender wire ran from post three on the 12 post terminal block.
 

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as for waterlogged foam how do i go about determining if this is indeed the case and if so how does one go about removing said foam???

This is a bit tricky... it depends on whether or not any of it is exposed... in most fiberglass boats, with the foam filled sides, the foam is "built in". The way it would have accumulated water is from sitting in the weather for a few years and seeping through or there's a hole somewhere letting water in, or its coming up through the wood flooring into the sides... the only way to test it is to find a spot where you can gain access to it (depending the the way its built, this may mean cutting a hole somewhere, not sure if you want to do that or not). Once you have access to the foam, just mash it a bit (like squeezing a sponge), its its waterlogged, water will squish out of it, and it will feel fairly dense for its size. As for replacing it, thats a huge project... your talking seperating the inner and outer hulls, scraping out all the old foam, making forms, repouring it back in with two part marine grade A&B (which is 100 bucks/2qts.), fiberglassing it in to seal it, then putting it all back together again. Basically rebuilding the boat... if yours is water logged then I'll leave that decision up to you... I have thrown two boats away that were like that, and rebuilt one. The one I rebuilt took me about 2 months, and over a thousand bucks worth of materials (and it was just a 15ft. Riveria bowrider).

/edit also I should mention, not all boats are built like this, I can't tell from your picture or not... if the sides are about 4-6 inches thick then its like a foamed hull... if its very thin, then not... just don't want you randomly cutting holes in your boat for no reason. :)

there is a tach built into the boat as well as a speedometer how do i make them work??

For the Tach:
Being a Johnson/Evinrude, there should be a gray lead that runs from the engine through the wiring harness up to the controls... if the tach was hooked up, then that is what it should be connected too, if it was never hooked up, you should see the gray wire inside the controls with a loop on the end, and just hanging, you would need to run that over to the tach, and make sure the tach is set to the proper pole position... (sorry dont know what that would be for your engine/tach combintion, I'll see if I can look it up and post it for you).
For the Speedo:
The speedometer is mechanical, and I can see the pick-up for it in your picture, if its not working, then its likely the tube is clogged (sometimes they suck up sand or stuff)... Disconnect the tube at the pickup, AND from the speedometer (you do NOT want to blow compressed air into the speedometer, as it can trash it). Blow air through the tube only and see if its obstructed... also check where it connects to the back of the gauge and make sure no stuff got pushed into it, lastly, make sure the pick-up is clear of debris, and its below the water line when running the boat... if all that stuff is correct, and speedo doesnt work, its probably failed due to age.

Hope that info helps, when I find the information on the tach setting, i'll post it for you, if you can tell me what type it is, that would help too.

thanks
 

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As for the model, see if there is a tag somewhere in the boat with a hull id number. If the boat is indeed supposed to weigh in at 2000 lbs, then your motor may not be a good fit for your boat or, as other posters have said, you may be over propped. I just find it hard to think that the boat weighs 2000 lbs. (dry). I suggested a possible waterlogged foam because I would wonder about the added weight. If the boat is 2000 lbs with the motor, battery, fuel, gear, then it sounds about right.

Now this doesn't discount any motor problems you have mentioned. If the motor is bogging down in two cylinders, compression is 150psi in all cylinders, and you have spark, then it sounds like it could be either a fuel delivery problem or a carb adjustment problem.
 

RichardNaugle

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Re: what is the predicted top speed

thanks for the response gentlemen .. aparently i have some investigating to do...rick
 

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To check/verify your ignition system: check to see if all 4 plug wires are firing. Take an inductive timing light with you next time you go boating. Put the light on each plug wire and note the flashes from the light when the engine is under load-like 3/4 throttle when plowing water just before it planes out. They should all be the same- strong bright rythmic flashes. Look for misfires or weak flashes. Your engine is the small 92 cubic inch version of the V4. Not a very big engine for the size of the boat. As was previously noted: For optimal performance you need to verify your max engine rpm's with a tach and prop it to run the right rpm's. On some of these early models, OMC ran a grey tach wire up to the control box for later use to feed a tach. (my 72 100 hp had one) If you open up the control box and see a grey wire loose inside, that is the tach wire. You can pull it out of the box through a small hole in between the control box halves on the underside of the box.
 
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