Were we wrong? Shop story LONG story UPDATE 11-03

SigSaurP229

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There is a long thread on our pontoon and the history of the pontoon in these forums. Long of the short is it was my Grandpa's boat purchased new in 1993. In 1994 a shop opened up near my Grandpa's house. The boat has been serviced at the same shop since 1994. We sold the boat in 2002 and the new owner's had the boat serviced at the same shop. This year we bought the boat back. Even though the shop is an hour and a half away and we drive past 4 other repair shops on the way.

We had some issues with the boat stalling when putting it into gear, and the overheat alarm going off.

On Tuesday 09/07 we took our boat to the shop. Let the shop now what's going on and they said ok sounds like a carb rebuild and a fuel in the water issue and an oil pump, and you should go ahead and install a fuel water separator. We tell them just fix and let us know when it will be ready they said it will be ready in four days. No problem

We called on 09/14 Ok is the boat ready what's going on with it? Well it is not ready but will be ready the day after tomorrow.

Called again on 09/20 Any news on the boat yet? We are waiting on parts. Will be ready in a week. We are starting to get aggravated but we understand that these things happen, the problem is since 1993 this boat has NEVER spent more than a day uncovered.

09/22 We get a call come down to the marina your boat is ready now we are exceited the lake is still up.

09/24 We go down to the marina we take two vehicles as this is a 28' I pull it with my truck dad follows me just a little extra safety precaution. Anyways we get down to the marina and we are told we called the wrong customer your boat is not ready. Now we are kind of aggravated because we didn't make it out of the office we assumed we were picking up the boat so we didn't bring a cover to leave it any longer. We are assured that the boat will be ready within the week.

10/07/ Call to the marina it has now been a month, after being promised 4 days and an extra trip for nothing we are angry. Assured that the boat will be ready in 3 days. We let it die for the time being.

10/21 We call the marina what is going on with the boat? Why isn't it ready, You have had my boat for 6 weeks and no answers at all. Get it done you have one week.

10/28 0900 7 weeks after dropping the boat off we drive back to the marina. Truck and van. Dad goes into the office I go behind the marina to find the boat. There was our immaculate boat covered in red clay mud, Mildew all over the seats carpet soaking wet. Cowling off of the motor the boat looked worse than it has in 17 years. They let the boat sit uncovered for 7 weeks also someone went through all of the underseat storage comparments. The boat was at a dock when I got to it. Couldn't find the trailer anywhere Dad went inside and told them to get the boat back on the trailer and that we were taking it now. Soo they fired it up the over heat buzzer started right away they kick it into gear and it dies. Finally after warming it up they are able to slap it from a high idle quickly into reverse out of the dock then back onto the trailer. They take to the shop and spend 20 minutes looking for the motor cowling.

The only visible thing that had been done was that the fuel water separator was installed. The dock workers didn't realize that I was down there watching them while they did this. Soo they pull it out drive it to the front of the shop and leave it hooked to the shop truck, and I meet dad in the store. I tell him to go out and look at the boat Dad is almost in tears as the boat has never looked this bad and now he is angry to boot. While dad is out side looking at the condition of the boat the manager tells the mechanic to go ahead and write out the bill.

He lays the bill on the counter $581.76 parts and labor. I will NEVER be known as the most patient of individuals and I come by it genetically, knowing this fact I walk back outside and try to prepare my dad. We walk back in the store and the lady at the counter says your bill is $581.76. Dad tells the lady at the register "HELL NO I am not paying it in seven weeks you have installed a fuel water separator that is all". Then the worlds best mechanic :rolleyes: I also rebuilt the carbs and set the timing.

We have a little exchange of words and the owner of the store is called and told we are a couple of deadbeats and we are refusing to pay our bill. The owner comes to the front and asks what is going on. We go through the whole story again "The owner says if he says he rebuilt the carbs and set the timing you are going to pay the bill or I am going to lien your boat". I had kept my mouth shut until this point, then I lost it. "I watched your mechanic load the boat onto the trailer it did the same thing as it was when we brought it here no difference at all except now my F****** boat is in shambles you lied to us for 7 weeks cost us and extra $50 in gas left my boat exposed to the weather went through our belongings damaged our upholstery and the boat still doesn't F****** run right now you want me to pay you $581.76 for the privelidge of F****** up my boat?" The owners response was " well he got it on the trailer so it must run right"

My response " Your mechanics didn't know it but while he (my dad) was here in the office I went down and watched your mechanics trailer the boat the overheat alarm is still going off and the damned this is still acting like it was when we brought it here" I laid $600 on the counter "if we take a test drive right now and the boat does what its supposed to I will pay your bill in full".

At this point the mechanic "I just needed another day or two".

Dad "You had 7 weeks how many more times am I going to hear I need another day or two I can assure you I am not going to hear it again ever".

Owner "You expect me to put new parts on your boat and not pay for them"

Me "I told you or your mechanic take me for a test drive and the boat operates like its supposed to I will pay your bill in full I know they put a water separator on the boat and I will pay for it but nothing else"

Owner "I don't have time to do that and neither does my mechanic"

Dad "Show me the invoices for the parts and I will pay for all the parts"

Owner "Fine parts only and I want cash only no credit card no check no nothing cash and I will charge it out for parts only but don't ever show up in my shop again and never bring your boat back".

Dad "Don't worry we won't the boat is going immediately to another shop to inspect and repair and document everything and if I find no new parts on the motor we are going to court."

Total bill $194.90 taxes and all

I beleive in paying for what you get but this whole thing was ridiculous. Were we in the wrong for coming to get our boat? Or expecting to pick it up in at minimum the condition we left it in?
 
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superpop

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Had a similar situation at a shop in Renton, WA. Took my boat there one time and that was it. Mechanic didn't really know how to properly diagnose the problem and just kept throwing excuses at the core problem, kept recommending the wrong things. Turned out it was a bad ignition module. Thousand bucks later, rebuilt carb, tune up ect and in the end I fixed the problem myself for 50 bucks. That was when I first got into boating and had not done my research on how to work on a boat myself. Unfortunately there are shops out there that care more about getting paid then fixing the problem they are getting paid to fix. and many more that don't stand behind the work and or do not care about how they treat your property. I would start interviewing other shops and try to find one with some integrity.
 

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You'll have to be able to prove it's condition to recover damages. This is where it gets nasty, especially with an older boat. It may be the diamond of all 1993 pontoons, but you're going to have to prove the recent damage. As far as the mechanicals go, if the shop owner isn't given an opportunity to correct the work, it's tough to recover anything. For the 194.00, I'd call it a day and unless a more reputable mechanic is willing to testify to the prior one's neglect. (wich I doubt) Sorry to hear of your bad experience.
 

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On my ski boat I do all of the work myself. The pontoon is kind of special we always go the extra mile with it always professionally maintained as it is kind of a family heirloom too, maybe we are a bit emotional about THIS boat but we spend BIG bucks to keep it maintained. When we took it in as well as it was idling in slow and fast idle I am assuming it really just needed a link and sync, and maybe a new VRO pump thought about just converting to a premix but decided against it as we want it to stay original.

We are willing to eat the $194 and have no intentions of suing anybody i guess its more of a moral question.
 

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scoutabout

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Just got chest pains reading that. What a bunch of SOBs - but yeah - you will find those sorts in any business.

When I was a kid I have a clear memory of my dad marching out of a marina with what used to be my Johnny 9.9 in a dozen pieces in a cardboard box because the marina BSed us most of a summer about how they were going to fix it and never did.

I had another marina take a year and a half to replace the power head on another outboard. At least the owner was so embarassed when we finally reached him about it he finished up the job for nothing. Used parts but still a few hundred worth plus labour.

I don't think it would have ended well given any amount of time. Hope you get it sorted out.

FWIW - If I ever have to leave a boat at someone's shop (which is rare) I take a few pics of it sitting there in good shape (at least outwardly).
 

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That's a real shame things like that happen. You were alot more patient than I have known to be. I understand delays are sometimes unavoidable but your story is exceptional. In retrospect you should have probably pulled the boat sooner. The one thing I always get on ANY repair is an estimate. Parts, labor and date/time it will be completed. Nothing gets done without my express consent.

I would not have paid a cent, and would have explained to the owner that they had two options.
1) they remove any parts that were supposedly installed, under my supervision
2) I will remove those parts myself and leave them on the counter and take my boat.

Tell him he I was leaving with the boat in one hour so he had better make time to get it done.
 

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I feel your pain...went through a very similar problem many years ago.

In my case, I'm not so sure the mechanic/shop was trying to take advantage so much as just being incompetent. Left them the boat/motor which was not running...they diagnosed the problem and went about fixing it.

After 6 weeks, they came to the conclusion that the motor wasn't fixable and tried to sell me a new powerhead. Didn't seem right so I went to pick up the boat...it was a complete mess....although the cover was put on it, the entire inside was covered in grease prints from the mechanic and the hull was scratched from them installing some bungee cords improperly.

They wanted me to pay something in the range of $1,000 for their time which I refused given my boat ran no different than when I dropped it off and was cosmetically in much worse shape. In the end they didn't push the issue too much and I left with my boat.

Took it to another mechanic literally a few blocks away from the first. He called me within two hours advising to come pick up my boat, it was running fine. Didn't find out exactly what the issue was other than the mechanic advised that the first guy had put something on "upside down" which created most of the issues.

Frustating to miss most of our very short boating season because of something that could have apparently been fixed in minutes....not to mention several hours of cleaning/polishing trying to get the boat back into good cosmetic condition.

Sounds like you handled the situation as best you could given the circumstances. Hope you get it all cleaned up and back on the water soon!
 

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WOW
I have to commend you for keeping your cool most of the time.

I would be willing to bet that the owner is the same owner since 1994.
He is nearing retirement.
His shop has been declining for a few years now and he is barely hanging on.
The shop looks more like a junkyard than a busy repair shop.
He no longer does much more than sit in his office all day drinking and has no clue about what is going on in his shop.
 

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What I don't understand is why people put up with this kind of service on their boats but would never dream of it with their cars. I would have taken it home on 9/24. Definitely by 10/7. I know it's a pain towing and finding another shop and all that but how long do you keep listening to the BS? If they can't give you even a timely estimate of the problem I highly doubt they're going to be competent when repairing it. I'm sorry SSP229 that this happened with your family boat. If you were local I'd have you hooked up with the best mechanic ever that I just found.
 

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That makes me boil...

I remember the story of the post regarding you getting G-pa's boat back!

Now the same Marina treats your family like this after all these years...
Sickening...

Total disrespect!

It's just not acceptable at all...

I'm not sure what I'd do...

First thought in my mind is to get damage to interior fixed, have the boat professionally detailed, or keep track of hours of labor to restore boat to pre-marina condition, then demand satisfaction! Not sure if a legal battle is worth it? It just plain sucks, and you have my deepest condolences....

Damn I'm sorry dude!
 

SigSaurP229

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That makes me boil...

I remember the story of the post regarding you getting G-pa's boat back!

Now the same Marina treats your family like this after all these years...
Sickening...

Total disrespect!

It's just not acceptable at all...

I'm not sure what I'd do...

First thought in my mind is to get damage to interior fixed, have the boat professionally detailed, or keep track of hours of labor to restore boat to pre-marina condition, then demand satisfaction! Not sure if a legal battle is worth it? It just plain sucks, and you have my deepest condolences....

Damn I'm sorry dude!

No legal battling over $194 its just not worth it Attached you will find pics of the infamous pontoon

And my new avatar pic is my boy driving the toon with my dad just like I used to do with my grandpa albeit I was a little bit older
 

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Sig, you have more coming then you give yourself credit for, I think you handled yourself well but not very effective since your a gun guy(as I am) try this little trick, lets use your situation for example, the moment you unloaded you simply should have asked the owner what county are we in? when he answers call 411 for the local Sheriffs office and have them connect you, inform the dispatcher that you are being defrauded at a local Marina and that your boat has been vandalized and would like a deputy to respond asap, good but were not finished yet, the next thing you tell the owner is that you will need the name of his attorney and then magically dial a phantom number and put the phone up to your ear, "Hey John its Sig listen I need to file a small claims suit, yeah these guys think they are going to pull one over on us at the marina with the boat...whats that? No its not bad but the boats interior is destroyed since they left it outside unprotected for 7 weeks and then tell me they did all this work that I witnessed what they did do and you know the boat still runs rough.......I don't know I suppose on the way I will stop and get a couple estimates and I will have the wife email the photos to you cool? ok Thanks John I'll call you later when I have more, thanks you too." then simply wait outside for the deputy, get your police report by the time your ready to leave I will bet you a buffalo nickle you get a whole new attitude out of the owner, and I guarantee he will be much more pleasant then before. I try not to get upset at those who are trying to get one over on me financially, I let the police handle it, its their jobs and they are very good at it.

I learned this from my wife.

P.S. I'm a Glock guy
 

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You weren't out of line at all in my opinion. A little too trusting and gullible maybe, but you handled it better than I would have in every aspect. I'm the same type of boat owner that you are and I really feel your pain and I think you handled it as well as you could have. Next time hold them to the timeline they promise in the beginning and don't be afraid to hurt their feelings by hauling to another place that values your business.
 

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not sure if it helps you feel better, but could have been worse! I had a local dealer/repair shop that was selling customers boats and motors! Yes, you heard right. When a customer would bring a boat in, he would pull off the outboard, slap on something similar, and then sell your outboard to someone else. (usually out of state) This went on quite a while, as he also pulled the 'its not quite done yet' trick. I'm guessing he probably was trying to stretch it out as long as possible before disappearing, he cut it too short and got caught, but LOTS of people lost money and motors in the deal. It was nearly impossible to sort everything out when the dust settled.

(luckily my boat was too old to make it worth stripping the motor off, and he hadn't touched it for any 'repair' yet.)
 

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This is a horrible story, I feel for you. I, too, would have pulled the boat earlier like ezmobee.

As a boater on a strict budget, I perfer to use mobile mechanics that come to me. I found a great guy, and at $75/hour, he's cheaper then the shops, and I get to be there with him every step of the way.

I agree, it's not worth the $$$ to take it any further. What parts did they supposedly replace? Can you tell if they even actually replaced any of them they say they did?
 

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This is a horrible story, I feel for you. I, too, would have pulled the boat earlier like ezmobee.

As a boater on a strict budget, I perfer to use mobile mechanics that come to me. I found a great guy, and at $75/hour, he's cheaper then the shops, and I get to be there with him every step of the way.

I agree, it's not worth the $$$ to take it any further. What parts did they supposedly replace? Can you tell if they even actually replaced any of them they say they did?

Supposedly they put 3 carb kits in it, A Fuel Water Separator, a Thermostat, and they gave me a bag with a new thermostat housing. I sincerely do not understand the need for a TStat and housing as the motor shot a Great solid stream of water indicating that all the water pump and such was working fine.
 

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They probably slapped those parts on but then never adjusted anything.
 

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Since they didn't actually install the tstat, why take it and pay for it? And 3 carb kits? Isn't that triple redundancy? I could be wrong, but didn't you leave with one carb kit? :confused:
 

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While it's not worth it to sue for $194, how much is it gonna cost you to fix the interior?

Do you have any pics of the interior from recently, showing the good condition of it before u dropped it off?

There's alot of attorneys that will give you a free consultation. Can't hurt to try.
 

SigSaurP229

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While it's not worth it to sue for $194, how much is it gonna cost you to fix the interior?

Do you have any pics of the interior from recently, showing the good condition of it before u dropped it off?

There's alot of attorneys that will give you a free consultation. Can't hurt to try.


I can fix the interior just needs a REALLY good scrubbing and such.

Three carb set up on the motor so yes three carb kits were required.
 
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