Vulgarity

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: Vulgarity

WHen it was butt whoopin time is where I learned Yes Sir and Yes Mam. <br /><br />Maybe our generation that had spankings in schools and by our parents is what taught respect. I can remember my neighbor whacking my rear for running his hogs after being told not to do it. My dad didn't get mad at the neighbor for whacking me, he just re-enforced the neighbors whacks with a few more. Could be why I had respect for adults. Today, some would say that I had a fear of adults. Maybe so, but my terminology is respect. BTW, cussing as a kid was not tolerated by any adult anywhere. It just wasn't done.

 

[CJY]

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It comes down to, at least in part, schools getting sued. There are so many students in school on IEP's (individual education plan) that protects the student from being suspended. Usually when a student is cursing, they are on one. <br /><br />In Ohio, a student on an IEP cannot be suspended for more than 10 days the entire year without mounds and mounds of paperwork, and sometimes lawyers. If an IEP student uses foul language, and it is caused by his/her disability, the school has little action that it can take.<br /><br /> I have heard recently that as many as 30% of a schools population is on an IEP. When I was in school nobody was on one. If a student needs an IEP, so be it. But we need to be given back the right to run our school as the public would expect, clean with proper language and all the other things we remember when we were in school. <br /><br />Out-of-touch law makers call it fancy names like NCLB, SWDA, but what they really mean is less local control. That's the part they don't tell the public when they are rallying support on issues like these. It's wrong, I disagree with it, and there is little schools can do right now. They could hire lawyers and fight, but schools don't have the money. Most schools today in Ohio are already operating in the red. There is no money to pay lawyers fees. Not only that, the public(school supporters) would not have any part of it anyway. I really don't see things changing.

 

[POINTER94]

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You would think that lawyers, as magnanomous as they are, would be lining up to support/defend schools for free. Oh wait, law without money just doesn't exist unless it forwards additional moneymaking opportunities.

 

[CJY]

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Good point, Pointer. In fact, lawyers do just the opposite of representing schools. Students on IEP's(special education), in most cases are represented for free by an "advocate", which represents a lawyer. Parents that believe their children's educational rights are being infringed upon run out and seek help, in most cases for free. It's crazy! These parents want a school to cater to their child's needs, which is fine, but what about the rest of the school?<br /><br />In my experience, I have found that most of the student's in need of representation are in need because they refuse to do the things other students do on a regular basis, ie, study, take notes, complete HW. In other words, be a student. <br /><br />To graduate from HS, Ohio requires that a grad test (OGT) be passed before a student can graduate. OGT's are rigorous and are extremely difficult for slackers to pass. Some parents have sought to circumvent the OGT. Usually because they have a poor student that would not pass the OGT. One way to do this is by having their child placed on an IEP. Often times, teachers/schools give into the pressures applied by parents/advocates/lawyers. Again, it's a money issue.<br /><br />It makes me sick that this happens! Today though, laws favors the students, and they should. The problem exists when the law covers like a blanket, in many cases it covers undeserving students.

 

[PW2]

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Gawd. You all must be living in a different country from me. I don't don't recognize any of these things, let alone consider them big problems.

 

[pjc]

Re: Vulgarity

posting for #

 

[CJY]

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PW, to which "things" are you referring to?