Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

jimbresee

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I got a shaggy dog story for you:

1993 Volvo 501b in a Larson 20sei. At the end of the '04 season, my wife hit something submerged, kicked the drive up and broke off the raw water elbow. It ran great.. until it melted.

Heads were warped, water in the oil. Local shop wanted to install a new Volvo block for $6,000.00 plus installation.

I purchased a Vesuvio (Recon out of Philly) 305 short block and after a couple months they finally returned the boat at the end of the '05 season. Boat stumbled coming up on a plane, and we didn't push it max rpm due to break in.

Spring '06, we pass the break in and try to water ski with the boat. It dogs coming out of the hole, missing badly, and won't go beyond about 3800 rpm.

I took it another shop, and they had the boat the rest of the summer. Here's what they've replaced:
1. Fuel pump
2. coil
3. temporarily swapped a different carb in
4. Plugs
5. plug wires/cap/rotor
6. checked timing
7. Checked compression - all good
8. Ran the boat off a standalone gas tank - no difference
9. Disconnected the engine electricals from the boat wiring - jumpered the coil to battery to see if it was boat wiring - no difference.
10. Rebuilt the carb (I'm not highly confident about the shop that built the carb..)


I've been given the boat back 3 times and every time I take it out, it's the same: lousy acceleration and low top end.

One other clue, 2 of the plugs foul more quickly than the others. I don't smell gas on the plug, it's not oily, but is black.

The guy who's been working with me is a really good guy and has a ton of experience, but we are both stumped.

We have not done a leakdown check yet, so he's going to do that just to be complete.

Any other thoughts before my wife makes me lose this money pit?
Thanks!!
Jim
 

Bondo

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

Check for an Exhaust Restriction,..........

When you had the Melt-down,.....
Some of the Rubber Parts sometimes fall into the Exhaust Passages,+ cause these kinds of Problems.......

I don't know about your Volvo,.... But Merc.s tend to drop the Flapper Valves into the Y-pipe......
 

jimbresee

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

Bond-O:
That's a great suggestion... thanks. I'll call my boat guy and see if he can fish through the exhaust passages.

Thanks!
Jim
 

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

Pulling the Drive,+ Looking Up thru backwards is the Best way to See........

I found This on a Parts Rig I junked out........
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Don S

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

Only problem with that Bondo, is the Volvo doesn't have the exhaust flappers like that. They are located external on the Volvo drive.

Have you checked the timing advance to see if it's working properly? I've also seen the igniton module in those Prestolite distributors cause that problem.
 

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Oh Well,.......... Atleast you've taught me to Qualify my Statements,.......
I don't know about your Volvo,.... But Merc.s
 

Don S

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

Bondo, my reply was more for Jims bennefit. The Volvo drive is NOT the 5 minute job to pull off and put back on that the Mercs are.;)

How's that for a save on my part :rolleyes: Actually, I never read all your reply, but. I did see the picture.... :redface: :redface:
 

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I understand,.........

Which is Why I've been using "Might", "Maybe", "Sometimes", "Possibly", "Probably",+ a host of other Excapes in My responces........

I don't mind being Not Right,..............
But I Hate being just plain ole Wrong............................;) :D
 

jimbresee

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

I'm still trying to figure this one out.

Any chance a weak or intermittent engine ground could cause this?

Or should I go back and re-inspect the carb rebuild?

Thanks,
Jim
 

gord 495

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Re: Volvo 501b from hell... What am I missing?

now this maybe nothing to mention..but i will anyway
my brother had a 23 foot chriscraft with a 350 block and alpha outdrive...in the beginning he was having problems with performance...later on he broke the drive shaft in the leg...they replaced the leg and couple of months later same thing happened again....long story short, he took the boat to another mechanic..who installed a new leg and foung that the alignment was out between the engine and leg...gave him poor performance and ended up costing him lots of money for drive leg work....now i know its probably not whats happened to you, but i thought i should mention it, seeing as though you have installed a new block....good luck with it
 
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