Verado Scuttlebut?

[PAkev]

Over the past two months you can't help picking up a boating magazine or watching a fishing show without noticing Merc. tooting their horn about the new Verado. I'm just surprised we haven't seen much dialogue on the forum about Mercury's new baby. Perhaps it's too soon for anyone to have good or bad experiences with them but I would think all that aggressive advertising would be compelling some folks to purchase a new Verado outboard. <br />I would also guess their availability and the premium which they command will not be as provoking as the advertising.<br /><br />The superchaging concept sounds interesting and has developed a question in my mind that I hope one of the outboard gurus can answer:<br />At what RPM range does the supercharger kick in to recognize the benefit?<br />If a 250HP motor is supercharged, could you realistically have expectations of recognizing more HP ? <br /><br /> <br />Kevin

 

[JB]

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Moving to General Outboard

 

[DJ]

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Verado, Verado, Verado. That's all anyone has been talking about. While all the hoopla was going on, Suzuki slipped a V-6 4 stroke 250 into the market that is lighter than the Verado.

 

[quantumleap]

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The Verado is also available as a 275hp and is reported to be unveiling at least a 300 hp this fall or next spring. The current issue of Bass & Walleye Boats has a test of the 275 and it sounds like it lives up to all the hoopla.

 

[jim dozier]

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One of the advantages of a supercharger blower over a turbocharger blower or the unblown engine (no pressure charged intake) is a power increase at lower rpms. Depending on the supercharger gearing you could get significant increases at low engine rpm. Turbochargers in general have to spool up and suffer from some degree of turbo lag although this can be minimized with smaller turbos or twin turbos. Unblown engines have to result in high rpms to attempt to match torque/horsepower outputs of blown engines. Most blown engines require a wastegate of some kind to dump excess intake pressure at higher rpms when you close the throttle.<br /><br />Without any specific knowledge of the new Mercury Verado I would expect that it has excellent low end grunt. My guess is that its performance won't be questioned just whether it stays in one piece and the overall cost.

 

[DJ]

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I have absolutely no hard feelings about the Verado, I wish them (Mercury) nothing but success, especially against the imports.<br /><br />I think there are some fundemental issues though. The Verado only makes 275 with premium fuel-a real issue for boats that stay in the water. Also, I think it's a bit complex for many boaters. There may be some "wait and see" attitude out there.<br /><br />The imports slipped in with basic technology, the same horsepower and a lighter weight. If I were a Brunswick stockholder, I woulkd have some concern.

 

[1986mariner150]

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I am not familar with the new mercury motor but I do know blowers. As stated above there is no lag with a supercharger and they tend to work throughout the rpm range. Another big advantage to us go fast guys is that to raise the boost (also horsepower) all you generally have to do is put a smaller pulley on the blower to spin it faster, of course you have to give it more fuel when you do this. The enemy is detonation from too high cylinder pressure which can be bleed off a bit via the camshaft in addition to a boost referenced ignition that pulls timing in boost situations. Mine pulls from one to three degrees per psi of boost up to 20 degrees total. This supercharging is what it is going to take to get 2 stroke performance from a 4 stroke motor. Also the aftermarket chips can do a whole lot more for these motors than non-forced induction motors. I believe it will be sucessful in my neck of the woods with the bass fishermen once the 2 stokes are gone. I also believe the other manufactures will have to follow the leader to keep up.

 

[elcamino12sec]

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I purchased a brand new Suzuki 225hp 2-stroke, installed just under 8 grand about 2 months ago, my question about the Vreado is, why would one want to spend twice the money on a motor that has the same amount of cylinders, that weighs almost 200lbs more, that wont run on 87 octain (per manufacture) and also has to have a power adder to make the same amount of hp. I know that it will be quieter, more fuel efficient, and better for the enviorment, but at the end of the day, your still making 225hp, wheres my other 8000.00<br />Now Im not trying to cause an argument on this board, but does any one think they will save that much money on gas and oil? Oil and filter changes will cancel out the price of 2cycle oil,then remember one has to burn a more expensive fuel to run in the supercharged outboard. And also, repair costs will be more an a much more advanced motor, just labor alone, 2-strokes have to be the most basic combustion engine ever made. I have nothing against Mercury, I think they have a fine product, but I just dont see the bottom line here, maybe some one that knows more about there product can tell us?

 

[1986mariner150]

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What i was elluding to above is the fact that in just a couple of more years you will not be able to buy 2 strokes in this country because they make too much pollution. All of us are used to 2 stroke power and them new 4 strokes are gonna feel pretty guttless compared to what we had. Throw a blower on there and its starts feeling like a 2 stroke, I believe there will be a good market for it with all the competative fisherman who need to be first to the hole, and like to stay in new equipment. I know a lot of non-tournament anglers around here that demand a very fast boat and replace their stuff every couple of years. As soon as the other manufatures start doing the same thing the prices will fall due to the competion, but if your are the only one out there with a certain product you can name your price. Like oil injection, it started with a single manufacture and the rest fell in line or they went under. Off the topic you wanna race that elky?

 

[elcamino12sec]

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I will race it, but the best it will do is 12.73 at 121mph, no power adders, all small block.<br />I do know what you mean by the market and what not for the merc. I just a shame they want so damn much for it, ya know?

 

[kd6nem]

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Mariner,(1986mariner150)<br />I hope the political winds don't blow that way too soon. (I have great faith that politicians and bureaucrats can take even the best ideas and turn them into a boondoggle) The new HPDI 2 strokes are very clean. I'm hoping they'll be around awhile if nothing else to just give us more choices. Just wish we could keep it simple and inexpensive. ALL the new clean motors are just too fancy for this ol' boy. I like clean, but I'll be floating a blow boat before I will ever be putting one of those new motors with gazillions of parts on my old boat.

 

[1986mariner150]

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I read somewhere that 2 strokes were going to stop being made in either 2005 or 2006.

 

[Terry H]

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1986mariner150 <br />maybe carburated 2 strokes, but it's an emissions thang...not a 2 or 4 stroke thang...just a Thought

 

[RJS]

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I took a ride on a my friends boat this past weekend. It had a Yamaha 115 hp 4 stroke. Having owned a boat with the Yamaha 115 HP 2 stroke, I know what Merc is up to. The 4 stroke just didn't seem to have the balls of a 2 stroke. Supercharging hopefully accomplishes this for the 4 stroke.<br /><br />I really liked the quietness of the Yamaha 4 stroke...very sweet engine

 

[ZmOz]

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I wanna see a supercharged two stroke!

 

[jim dozier]

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I'm holding out for an E-tec direct injection supercharged multi-rotor Wankel (rotary).

 

[quantumleap]

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The only thing I find confusing is the supercharger accounts for a decent share of the hp on any engine, so why the heck is the new merc so big and heavy?? You would think they would be able to get 200 -275 hp out of a much smaller/lighter package. I see they added a new trim set-up and an auto style alternator so I suppose all the goodies start adding up.

 

[jim dozier]

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If the Merc catches on in the market expect to see blowers on the Japanese engines. There are well made bolt on after-market blowers (Jackson racing) on a lot of Hondas on the road and it wouldn't be hard for the factory to put one on their outboard. Those engines have strong bottom ends and Honda has a lot of experience on the racing circuit with blowers on their engines. With all of the motorcycle racing that Yamaha and Suzuki have done I bet they could come up with one pretty quickly if they saw money in it.

 

[goindeep]

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I have been loooking to repower my Boston Whaler. I rode in a boat with the new 4 stroke Suzuki 250 and that settled it for me. This is a big deal for me as I need twins but all the 4 stroke question have been answered ....as far as I could see with one ride. Anybody else up on these high tech power plants?

 

[kd6nem]

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ZmOz- like maybe a Detroit Diesel blown 2 stroke right out of a Semi truck? Plenty of those out there. Of course they do have a regular crankcase full of oil and don't need oil injection, so it should be the best of both worlds right? Kind of heavy for an outboard, though! I think they do have a marine engine...