used motor push/pull instead of pull/push

[johnsobc]

I have a 2003 Lund Alaskan 1800 SS, side console with side mount controls.

I've upgraded the 2003 50HP to a 2005 90HP, both Honda.

The original Honda side mount controls support pull/push for forward and reverse.

I installed the 90hp, and the pull is reverse not forward. The controls dont seem to be flippable. Looking for my easiest solution. I like the sidemount controls and the electronics built into it.

Not sure if I have an altered motor, or just need different controls for it?

 

[dingbat]

On every boat I've ever run, moving the lever towards the bow was "forward" and moving the lever towards the stern was "reverse".

Are you saying that moving the lever towards the bow on the old control is reverse and moving the lever towards the stern is forward?

 

[pvanv]

Most controls can be disassembled and the handle mounted from the other side, but that only helps with whether you are mounting on a console or on the gunwhale. However. Many controls have internal changes you can make to reverse the shifter (Yamahas do). Is the throttle also reversed? If so, it may be better to just get the correct control box.

 

[johnsobc]

On every boat I've ever run, moving the lever towards the bow was "forward" and moving the lever towards the stern was "reverse".

Are you saying that moving the lever towards the bow on the old control is reverse and moving the lever towards the stern is forward?

Yes, moving the sidemount throttle forward goes in reverse...

 

[johnsobc]

Most controls can be disassembled and the handle mounted from the other side, but that only helps with whether you are mounting on a console or on the gunwhale. However. Many controls have internal changes you can make to reverse the shifter (Yamahas do). Is the throttle also reversed? If so, it may be better to just get the correct control box.

The throttle and fast idler work fine. can't flip and mount on the side console mount, it would need to go to the other side of the boat then. No internal cam or mechanism to flip inside.

 

[dingbat]

It's a long shot, but you didn't by chance end up with a counter rotating motor?

 

[pvanv]

It's a long shot, but you didn't by chance end up with a counter rotating motor?

That has Nothing to do with it. It's a matter of the shifter arm being push vs pull. I know that Yamaha controls are reversible... perhaps that Honda one is as well, but I have no way of knowing how to do that.

 

[ahicks]

Honda not reversable like the Yammi control. Not to my knowledge anyway. Could be wrong, but I'm thinking the only thing you can reverse on the Yammi control is the throttle anyway, no?

With the cowl off, looking at the arm the shift cable is connected to on the engine end, that arm needs to move to the rear to go into reverse - on a conventional engine anyway. Not familiar with counter rotating or how that linkage/setup works.

 

[pvanv]

Counter Rotating Hondas are still clockwise engines; The LU gears are different.

 

[dingbat]

Counter Rotating Hondas are still clockwise engines; The LU gears are different.

The gears are configured inside the housing differently. Forward gear is literally installed in the LU backwards......Same forward push of control makes the prop shaft rotate in the opposite direction.

If he installed his old right handed prop on a CR it would run "backwards". A quick check of the serial number would confirm either way. Model number ends with C

Other possibly, the throttle and shift cables are simply switched up...

 

[johnsobc]

The gears are configured inside the housing differently. Forward gear is literally installed in the LU backwards......Same forward push of control makes the prop shaft rotate in the opposite direction.

If he installed his old right handed prop on a CR it would run "backwards". A quick check of the serial number would confirm either way. Model number ends with C

Other possibly, the throttle and shift cables are simply switched up...

The 50hp had the controls entering on the starboard side of the boat. The 90hp has the controls entering the cowl on the port side. Wouldnt the opposite location for the reverse action?

If this was the design by honda, do they have any controls that support push/pull? This would seem intentional, but none of the shopping descriptors indicate a difference for cowl entry ..

 

[dingbat]

The 50hp had the controls entering on the starboard side of the boat. The 90hp has the controls entering the cowl on the port side. Wouldnt the opposite location for the reverse action?

If this was the design by honda, do they have any controls that support push/pull? This would seem intentional, but none of the shopping descriptors indicate a difference for cowl entry ..

No where do I see where the OP said anything about left and right hand cowl entry. Only that hIs forward and reverse is backwards.

Only way that is possibly is for the control cables to be swapped ( don’t know if that would work at all) or he somehow ends up with a counter rotator

 

[pvanv]

The gears are configured inside the housing differently. Forward gear is literally installed in the LU backwards......Same forward push of control makes the prop shaft rotate in the opposite direction.

If he installed his old right handed prop on a CR it would run "backwards". A quick check of the serial number would confirm either way. Model number ends with C

Other possibly, the throttle and shift cables are simply switched up...

You are 100% correct. So... if he has a C motor, he will need to make a change, either to linkage or controls (some of the aftermarket controls are reversible)... or change LU to standard. OR, maybe buy a LH prop.

 

[dingbat]

You are 100% correct. So... if he has a C motor, he will need to make a change, either to linkage or controls (some of the aftermarket controls are reversible)... or change LU to standard. OR, maybe buy a LH prop.

cant just change the linkage.

Running a beveled gear set backwards is highly detrimental to their longevity.

Install LH prop, problem solved

 

[ahicks]

I like the idea of the swapped cables. That's where I would go first.

 

[johnsobc]

Ok, I got it all back together, and when I push the throttle forward, it pulls the cable, moves the linkage towards the bow, so I think I am in forward. The shaft spins counterclockwise while the linkage is forward.

Left hand prop? I bought it with a right hand, but I suppose the guy could have thrown any prop on it..

I am hoping it's this simple!