Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

minuteman62-64

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If I have my battery hooked up to a charger, is there any problem with turning on my fishfinder (or other low-draw electronics)?

I typically "top off" the charge once per month. The fishfinder would be on for awhile, during the charging, while I flipped through the various menus for familiarization.
 

Don S

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Shouldn't hurt anything.
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Many believe that you shouldn't do that because energizing the fishfinder's transducer, while it is out of the water, may damage it. Others describe that admonition as an old wives tale.
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

I've ran transducers out of water plenty of time without harm, but I don't have any of those fancy ones.

As far as running them on charge, something low draw like that shouldn't hurt anything as long as it's not for a long time, but most manuals for the chargers will tell you not to have anything on while charging. I think it can mess with the sensors and the charger can damage the batteries, but I guess it all depends on the sensitivity and programming of each charger.

What would be wrong with unplugging the charger, doing what you want to do, and then plugging it back up?
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Many believe that you shouldn't do that because energizing the fishfinder's transducer, while it is out of the water, may damage it. Others describe that admonition as an old wives tale.

Would that be any different than having it hooked up in the "thru-hull" configuration?
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

If you mean an "in-hull" transducer, it's still the same discussion.
 

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I am guessing that the modern day transducer can survive well enough being operated with the boat out of the water, and that renaming your boat will not bring bad luck. Here's something I found that may shed some light on the subject.

"E Fitzgerald
05-10-2004, 04:52 PM

The Skipper is right on - heat can certainly be an issue if you operate a transducer that is designed to be in water in air. Transducers are approximately 60 percent efficient in their ability to convert electrical energy (the AC "pulse") into mechanical energy (ultrasound). The electrical energy not converted to mechanical energy is converted into heat. Most transducers use adhesives to hold components together and adhesives can soften when warmed and de-bond the components. Sometimes the effect is temporary, other times it is not. A rule of thumb for operating a marine transducer in air is one minute. Also note that the "range" measured in air will be about 4x greater than the actual distance - this is because the speed of sound in air is approximately 4x slower than than the speed of sound in water.

A secondary issue is that when the transducer is in air, it is not hydrostatically "loaded" that way it is when underwater. If one were to measure the impedance it would probably be different (but I admit that I do not know if the difference is 5 percent or 50 percent or somewhere in the middle.) At any rate, an echosounder might not be tolerant of driving the different impedance. Note that transducers mounted as "in-hulls" (M260s, P79s and the like) are loaded by the liquid in the tank or by the epoxy that bonds them to the hull.

E. Fitz"
http://www.thehulltruth.com/archive/t-22200.html

In the FAQ section , Airmar used to advise, "To prevent damage to the T/D , avoid energizing it for more than 30 seconds out of water."

I have searched the Airmar FAQ's, and I can't find that warning.
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Nothing in the Lowrance user manual about operating out of water - I'll take a look on their web site.

Maybe to be safe I should just stick it in a bucket of water.
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Unplug the transduce if it worry's you. I had a cable break once, i will tell you when it shorted it would certainly pop...In my youth i would have found out just how much...at this age just stayng away.
 

minuteman62-64

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

From the folks at Lowrance Tech Support: Thank you for your inquiry.

Yes, you can turn the unit on out of the water and the transducer will not be damaged.

Thank you for choosing Navico products!

Navico Technical Support
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

Good to know ... Carry on!
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

To avoid any issues, I charged the battery, then played with the fishfinder and, finally, plugged the charger back in and "topped off" the battery.
 

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Re: Use Electronics While on Battery Charger?

From the perspective of the electronics on the boat; There is no difference between running the electronics when the charger is charging the battery, and running the electronics while the alternator is charging the battery.

You run the electronics all the time with the engine running the alternator with no problems.

The battery is the ultimate filter/surge arrestor you will ever get.
 
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